The Football Thread.

guitars4you

AustrianJohn said:

guitars4you said:

 That may well depend on when Tony Bloom decides he wants to stop pumping in 'big loans' to the club

Bloom hasn't been pumping in big loans for a while. Brighton has generated £150 million profit on transfers in the last two season. The Brighton model - having got to where it is now - looks to be financially self-sustaining.

I quote - Bloom of course remains the chief benefactor having now pumped nearly half a billion pounds into the Albion. That is up £70 million on where his investment stood last season; one of the many interesting aspects on a balance sheet which looks good in places and not-so-good in others. - https://www.wearebrighton.com/newsopinion/a-24-1m-profit-and-what-else-we-learnt-from-brighton-2021-22-accounts/

I agree that the Brighton model is the way forward for a 'non-elite' club and I don't mean that in a derogatory way - But we all know the top 6-8 clubs have 'sugar daddy' funding that the rest can't compete with - Wait until you see the next Chelsea accounts (based on trading to June 2024) that could well show a lost of at least £150m lost in one season alone - That will smash existing FFP rules - So the BHA model is to be congratulated - But those sales (after careful recruitment) are needed to avoid significant losses and potential future FFP - Remember it is these profitable sales that are required to turn a trading lost, after amortisation and wages

TTony

AustrianJohn said:

 Brighton has generated £150 million profit on transfers in the last two season. The Brighton model - having got to where it is now - looks to be financially self-sustaining.

I think Brighton have done excellently. 

I remember (early 2000's) when I was working in the city for 18mths and they were both ground-less and the team was really struggling.  In two decades and with Bloom's investments, they've properly turned that around.

However, I'd argue that it's only self-sustaining as long as they can continue to find good, young, cheap players, develop them for a couple of seasons, and then sell them on for a massive profit, whilst maintaining on-field performances.  That's a couple of fairly significant challenges.

guitars4you

See Moyes has been offered a new contract- Although he has not yet said yes

jimmyd

@TTony totally agree with your comments on Brighton.

And I can't see them getting the jump on other teams and unearthing diamonds to recruit and then sell on for much longer. Prem teams with more money will copy what they're doing and improve their scouting in South America, or cut out the middle man and recruit Brighton's key scouts direct. I can't imagine for one moment they're not already trying to replicate what Brighton are doing. 

sev112

guitars4you said:

AustrianJohn said:

guitars4you said:

 That may well depend on when Tony Bloom decides he wants to stop pumping in 'big loans' to the club

Bloom hasn't been pumping in big loans for a while. Brighton has generated £150 million profit on transfers in the last two season. The Brighton model - having got to where it is now - looks to be financially self-sustaining.

I quote - Bloom of course remains the chief benefactor having now pumped nearly half a billion pounds into the Albion. That is up £70 million on where his investment stood last season; one of the many interesting aspects on a balance sheet which looks good in places and not-so-good in others. - https://www.wearebrighton.com/newsopinion/a-24-1m-profit-and-what-else-we-learnt-from-brighton-2021-22-accounts/

I agree that the Brighton model is the way forward for a 'non-elite' club and I don't mean that in a derogatory way - But we all know the top 6-8 clubs have 'sugar daddy' funding that the rest can't compete with - Wait until you see the next Chelsea accounts (based on trading to June 2024) that could well show a lost of at least £150m lost in one season alone - That will smash existing FFP rules - So the BHA model is to be congratulated - But those sales (after careful recruitment) are needed to avoid significant losses and potential future FFP - Remember it is these profitable sales that are required to turn a trading lost, after amortisation and wages

What is “Player Amortisation” - are they bumping off players to reduce their costs ?

RaymondLin

It’s the spreading of their cost over the lifetime of their contracts.

so £100 million player on a 5 year contract only cost £20mil a year on the books, even though £100mil has been paid already. 

TTony

Someone's going to be happy tonight ...

guitars4you

RaymondLin said:

It’s the spreading of their cost over the lifetime of their contracts.

so £100 million player on a 5 year contract only cost £20mil a year on the books, even though £100mil has been paid already. 

Plus if after 4 years of his contract, his book value has gone from 100 - 20 million and you sell him for 30 mill you now make 10 mill profit  - Amortisation is a paper transaction in many ways and adds nothing to your 'cash flow' - You can argue if your 100 mill player goes on a freebie after 5 years and doesn't take a new contract , hence a free transfer to another club, you've actually lost nothing on the books, or gained anything either, as his book value was now zero anyway - Equally if that player signs a new contract with 1 year remaining of his original/existing contract, and his book value is 20 mill at this stage, then his potential transfer value will have now increased, with a new longer contract, yet his book value will still be 20 mill, and will reduce further after that next financial year 

It doesn't include players who come out of the junior academy - ie Conor Callagher at Chelsea - No purchase price paid, so no amortisation - So sheer profit when you sell him and it is such sales that clubs really need most to soften any FFP 

guitars4you

Didn't deserve that win tonight - Leics deserved to win - Out played us for 80 mins - Good goal disallowed so good job no VAR - They missed 2/3 sitters and should have been sitting comfortably - Then 3 goals in 10 mins and that crowd goes bonkers - I suppose such 'lucky' wins make up for defeats when you know you should have won - Oh well - Going to make that chase for promotion handy - 15 points behind not to long ago 

Saying that, it doesn't half pee you off, when before kick off their manager says 'tonight is a big game for Leeds, but not a big deal for us ' 

Deadman

Good win for the mighty Darlington Football Club, which solidifies 23rd place in the National League North for us. 

Lestratcaster

Great win for us yesterday vs the Toon. Put the game to bed quite early on by finishing the chances. Hitting good form so hope we can carry this on. Still got Partey and Timber to come back but the team is playing well even without a striker (still need one though).

DesVegas

Nice bit of inter team fighting in the Sheffield Utd game today.  Give em hell chaps 

guitars4you

DesVegas said:

Nice bit of inter team fighting in the Sheffield Utd game today.  Give em hell chaps 

Boyer and Dyer mk2 ?

CHRISB50

Deadman said:

Good win for the mighty Darlington Football Club, which solidifies 23rd place in the National League North for us. 

I went to Dorking Wanderers v Ebbsfleet yesterday. One step of the pyramid above your lot. 

Proper 6 pointer. Dorking 21st. Ebbsfleet 20th. Both on 38 points. 1 goal between them in GD. 

Ebbsfleet deservedly won 4-1. Their first two goals were lovely. 

Dorking’s 11th home defeat of the season. I think they may well go down this year. Marc White seems to have lost his mojo. 

Chesterfield next week for the TV game. I’ll be at that one too. Think that will be defeat number 12. Chesterfield have the league sown up already. 

CHRISB50

Lestratcaster said:

Great win for us yesterday vs the Toon. Put the game to bed quite early on by finishing the chances. Hitting good form so hope we can carry this on. Still got Partey and Timber to come back but the team is playing well even without a striker (still need one though).

Great performance. Result to match. 

Made up for the away leg, where we were robbed. 

That ‘goal’ still winds me up. 

munckee

Interesting time as a Portsmouth fan. We’ve usually had an inexplicable run of 5 straight losses to kill automatic promotion by now. 

I’m fairly sure there’s heartbreak coming but enjoyable at the moment.  

Lestratcaster

CHRISB50 said:

Lestratcaster said:

Great win for us yesterday vs the Toon. Put the game to bed quite early on by finishing the chances. Hitting good form so hope we can carry this on. Still got Partey and Timber to come back but the team is playing well even without a striker (still need one though).

Great performance. Result to match. 

Made up for the away leg, where we were robbed. 

That ‘goal’ still winds me up. 

I think the lads were fired up from the reverse fixture. But yes the ball was out of play before the cross went in.

Jorginho was class again, £12m what a bargain. Him and Rice in the midfield really give us the control we need to win games. Imagine if Partey was fit for more than 2 games as well with Odegaard in front.

CHRISB50

Lestratcaster said:

CHRISB50 said:

Lestratcaster said:

Great win for us yesterday vs the Toon. Put the game to bed quite early on by finishing the chances. Hitting good form so hope we can carry this on. Still got Partey and Timber to come back but the team is playing well even without a striker (still need one though).

Great performance. Result to match. 

Made up for the away leg, where we were robbed. 

That ‘goal’ still winds me up. 

I think the lads were fired up from the reverse fixture. But yes the ball was out of play before the cross went in.

Jorginho was class again, £12m what a bargain. Him and Rice in the midfield really give us the control we need to win games. Imagine if Partey was fit for more than 2 games as well with Odegaard in front.

Yeah they were really up for this one. 

Jorginho had a cracking game. As did Rice. 

It was one of our best performances of the season. Just hope we can keep this momentum. 

The match at the Etihad is going to be massive. 

rze99

Well done to the Liverpool kids! When all the kids were coming on I thought I hope their nerves are up to penalties but they were fantastic. Bad luck Chelsea. You can't win anything with kids....

cruxiform

rze99 said:

Well done to the Liverpool kids! When all the kids were coming on I thought I hope their nerves are up to penalties but they were fantastic. Bad luck Chelsea. You can't win anything with kids....

Just as well. Don't know if I could take another press conference with Princess Jurgen moaning about the ref's decisions.