So it's a NO.. so what happens now?

frankus

Fretwired said:

frankus said:

My issue with UKIP is there funding is probably from U.S neo-cons, pushing a libertarian agenda for big business.

You're probably right. Wasn't Farage a City banker at one time?

Dunno but tthe budget for local elections seems to outstrip all other parties - multiple leaflet drops...

chillidoggy

The generation of anti-Scot feelings was always going to happen when something like this occurs. And God only knows how much this debacle is going to cost the Union. No sign of Salmond as yet, though.

ICBM

The BBC said:

Ed Miliband signals that he will not sign up to the prime minister's plan to give more power to the Scottish Parliament at the same time as trying to agree new powers for English MPs.

While accepting the need for reforms, the Labour leader says that he wants a process of debate to begin before the general election but - crucially - he calls for a constitutional convention to finalise reform to happen later, in the autumn of 2015.

So there you go... Miliband already trying to kick the West Lothian question into touch until after the election so he hopes he can get back into power and then ignore it.

It needs to be sorted out now.

thomasross20

deano said:

The interesting thing - for me - about the referendum is how it has highlighted the anti-Scottish feeling held by a sizeable number of English people.

Same on both sides and I really don't like it - disgusting behaviour IMO.

chillidoggy

ICBM said:

The BBC said:

Ed Miliband signals that he will not sign up to the prime minister's plan to give more power to the Scottish Parliament at the same time as trying to agree new powers for English MPs.

While accepting the need for reforms, the Labour leader says that he wants a process of debate to begin before the general election but - crucially - he calls for a constitutional convention to finalise reform to happen later, in the autumn of 2015.

So there you go... Miliband already trying to kick the West Lothian question into touch until after the election so he hopes he can get back into power and then ignore it.

It needs to be sorted out now.

It'll be interesting to see all the mandarins pinning their colours to the mast. And even more interesting to watch the back-pedalling, and bullshit they come out with.

Fretwired

ICBM said:

The BBC said:

Ed Miliband signals that he will not sign up to the prime minister's plan to give more power to the Scottish Parliament at the same time as trying to agree new powers for English MPs.

While accepting the need for reforms, the Labour leader says that he wants a process of debate to begin before the general election but - crucially - he calls for a constitutional convention to finalise reform to happen later, in the autumn of 2015.

So there you go... Miliband already trying to kick the West Lothian question into touch until after the election so he hopes he can get back into power and then ignore it.

It needs to be sorted out now.

Told you he would .. Cameron's got him by the balls .. Salmond's a canny politician and he'll now smell Labour blood - he switched his TV broadcast from 9:00 to 16:00 to see what Miliband was going to say. Watch out for the Dave and Alex show coming to a TV screen near you very soon. All Cameron has to do is offer the Scots home rule and the Welsh and NI a similar deal and a parliament for England and he's home and dry. Salmond will get a good deal for Scotland , Labour lose their MPs and end up in the wilderness ... Salmond will sense Miliband going back on his pledge and will chew him up and spit him out ... :-)

24 hours ago I said Cameron was a lame duck. I got that wrong ... he's back from the dead.

IanSavage

thomasross20 said:

deano said:

The interesting thing - for me - about the referendum is how it has highlighted the anti-Scottish feeling held by a sizeable number of English people.

Same on both sides and I really don't like it - disgusting behaviour IMO.

Fuck off jock lad

Fretwired

Salmond to resign in five minutes???

digitalscream

Fretwired said:

Salmond's a canny politician and he'll now smell Labour blood

Yeah, he's no idiot. He's got far more to gain from eviscerating Labour than he has from fighting the Tories. With Cameron having put everything on the table that Salmond could reasonably expect at this point, I suspect we're going to see those two buddying up like no party's done before. Honestly, at this point I don't see that as a bad thing for anybody concerned, particularly not the public. 

Unless your name's Milliband or Clegg, of course, but who cares about them?

VimFuego

Fretwired said:

Salmond to resign in five minutes???

this was what someone was tweeting this morning (some editor of a Scottish local rag I think). How he knew I don't know. Seems odd to resign really, he's still 1st minister for 2 years and he didn't lose the vote, the other side just got more votes, so he didn't disgrace himself or anything. Seems the price of failure nowadays is very high, even when you haven't actually failed.

ICBM

Fretwired said:

Labour lose their MPs and end up in the wilderness ... Salmond will sense Miliband going back on his pledge and will chew him up and spit him out …

UK Labour are probably finished in Scotland anyway if Miliband goes back on his 'vow' within 24 hours of the result. Scottish Labour (ie in Holyrood) is a different thing and may be best to distance itself from the London party as fast as possible. It will be interesting to see if Darling and Brown get tarred with the brush too.

IanSavage

Fretwired said:

Salmond to resign in five minutes???

Wow, THAT surprises me. Shan't shed too many tears though, smarmy get.

TTony

I reckon Salmond will probably resign.

digitalscream

Well, I didn't see that coming. He had a golden opportunity to be the hero...I wonder what went on.

ICBM

I don't much like him personally but I don't think he has anything to apologise or resign for regarding the referendum.

He says he's not going to retire though - perhaps he sees himself more in the role of negotiating with London, which might have been difficult to balance with the working job of First Minister.

TTony

ICBM said:

I don't much like him personally but I don't think he has anything to apologise or resign for regarding the referendum.

It's been his life's work though.  He's worked for years to get the referendum, he got it, and his voters said "no thanks".

Allegedly, 1/3rd of the Scottish population are in favour of independence, have always been so, and always will be so.  If that's anywhere near true, he's spent the last "x" years of his life getting that figure up from 33% to 45%.

Of that 12%pt increase, how much came from putting the issue front of people's minds (ie all those who'd never really considered the question, or never thought they'd have to), and by extending the vote to the 16/17 yr olds (by nature more "revolutionary").

Add that to the Westminster politicians being more unpopular today than at any time since ... well, than at any time really ... and really the "yes" campaign didn't generate that much extra support.

So, he's probably feeling just a little deflated right now ...

thomasross20

IanSavage said:

thomasross20 said:

deano said:

The interesting thing - for me - about the referendum is how it has highlighted the anti-Scottish feeling held by a sizeable number of English people.

Same on both sides and I really don't like it - disgusting behaviour IMO.

Fuck off jock lad

Oi! ;D

thomasross20

IanSavage said:

thomasross20 said:

deano said:

The interesting thing - for me - about the referendum is how it has highlighted the anti-Scottish feeling held by a sizeable number of English people.

Same on both sides and I really don't like it - disgusting behaviour IMO.

Fuck off jock lad

Oi! ;D

thomasross20

If he put more meat on the bone regarding currency, plan B etc I suspect the vote may have been very different but the more "educated/non-deprived" (don't flame me, as reported on BBC!) areas like Edinburgh & East Lothian had strong NO votes and these were the very reasons why - sometimes faith isn't enough.
Shame to see him go - Scotland is now divided but I thought he was ok.

Clarky

it's just a matter of time until we end up with a People's Republic of Sidcup..