Star Trek: Strange New Worlds S2

dazzajl

Seems very fitting they had Frakes directing that one. 

dazzajl

And in light of that bit of hero worship….. 

khaotic

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darthed1981 said:

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Well E7 sorts out my evening viewing!

Ditto.

Conversely I tried S4 of Discovery the other evening as I'd given up on the earlier series'.  I lasted about 10 minutes - it's just utter tosh.

The early episodes of Disco s4 were really terrible, but it did get (a bit) better later, but it never really escapes from The Burham Show with unfeasible amounts of emoting all the way through

Offset

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Well E7 sorts out my evening viewing!

Oh dear. First shite episode.

* EDIT - I'd better expand on this but it's difficult without adding spoilers.  All I can say is that that the two 'guest' characters were intensely fecking irritating.

fretmeister

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Well E7 sorts out my evening viewing!

Oh dear. First shite episode.

* EDIT - I'd better expand on this but it's difficult without adding spoilers.  All I can say is that that the two 'guest' characters were intensely fecking irritating.

I'm guessing you don't watch Lower Decks then?

darthed1981

fretmeister said:

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Offset said:

Well E7 sorts out my evening viewing!

Oh dear. First shite episode.

* EDIT - I'd better expand on this but it's difficult without adding spoilers.  All I can say is that that the two 'guest' characters were intensely fecking irritating.

I'm guessing you don't watch Lower Decks then?

Was going to say I love the guest characters, especially.

The totally fourth-wall breaking love of Uhura from Mariner, very obviously a thank you from black women everywhere for Nichelle Nichols blazing a trail in the 60s.  Hailing frequencies still open!

Offset

fretmeister said:

Offset said:

Offset said:

Well E7 sorts out my evening viewing!

Oh dear. First shite episode.

* EDIT - I'd better expand on this but it's difficult without adding spoilers.  All I can say is that that the two 'guest' characters were intensely fecking irritating.

I'm guessing you don't watch Lower Decks then?

Nope, but now the cartoon nonsense makes sense :-)

Doesn't make them any less irritating though.

stickyfiddle

Ok I'm only at the opening credits but so far it's *PERFECT*

stickyfiddle

Yeah that was perfect unless you hate Lower Decks. 

@offset you probably won't like Lower Decks  

Offset

stickyfiddle said:

Yeah that was perfect unless you hate Lower Decks. 

@offset you probably won't like Lower Decks  

Agreed, but I take comfort from the fact that one weak episode of SNW has saved me the pain of enduring an episode of Lower Decks 

khaotic

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Offset said:

Well E7 sorts out my evening viewing!

Oh dear. First shite episode.

* EDIT - I'd better expand on this but it's difficult without adding spoilers.  All I can say is that that the two 'guest' characters were intensely fecking irritating.

To counter-balance that - I fucking loved this episode, but then Lower Decks was a shining light in the wilderness years when only Discovery or the godawful s2 of Picard were on.

Offset

khaotic said:

Offset said:

Offset said:

Well E7 sorts out my evening viewing!

Oh dear. First shite episode.

* EDIT - I'd better expand on this but it's difficult without adding spoilers.  All I can say is that that the two 'guest' characters were intensely fecking irritating.

To counter-balance that - I fucking loved this episode, but then Lower Decks was a shining light in the wilderness years when only Discovery or the godawful s2 of Picard were on.

Yep.  S2 of Picard was dire.  S3 on the other hand was wonderful.  Discovery - just no.

stickyfiddle

khaotic said:

Offset said:

Offset said:

Well E7 sorts out my evening viewing!

Oh dear. First shite episode.

* EDIT - I'd better expand on this but it's difficult without adding spoilers.  All I can say is that that the two 'guest' characters were intensely fecking irritating.

To counter-balance that - I fucking loved this episode, but then Lower Decks was a shining light in the wilderness years when only Discovery or the godawful s2 of Picard were on.

Yeah LD took me a little while but its heart is 100% Trek, just in a slightly more light-hearted setting. 

fretmeister

It took me a while to warm to LD as well.

But it's a million miles away from the worst of Trek.

fretmeister

khaotic said:

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darthed1981 said:

Offset said:

Well E7 sorts out my evening viewing!

Ditto.

Conversely I tried S4 of Discovery the other evening as I'd given up on the earlier series'.  I lasted about 10 minutes - it's just utter tosh.

The early episodes of Disco s4 were really terrible, but it did get (a bit) better later, but it never really escapes from The Burham Show with unfeasible amounts of emoting all the way through

If Disco had been the Saru Show it could have been awesome. I don't blame S. Martin-Green for that at all - she didn't write the script.

The ship based Treks have always been based on the Captain with a strong supporting cast, and making it about Burnham didn't work. I actually suspect that if her character had still been written the same way, but in a support role it could have worked far better.

Trek often writes women very well (Unless Rick Berman is involved) so Burnham was a bit of a misfire even when the other female characters around her were written far better.

I tried to rewatch Disco to be ready for the final season but aside from a couple of Saru based episodes I just couldn't be bothered. It's the Trek equivalent of Prometheus. Amazing to look at, but an awful script.

I hope they find a way to get Saru into something else. Bit of time travel never hurt anyone!

darthed1981

I've enjoyed all the new Trek.

At it's worst it's never been nearly as bad as Trek at it's very worst, and at it's best it's been damn nearly as good as Trek has ever been (except maybe for some of the legendary episodes).

Discovery is sooo, sooo far from the "worst" it isn't even funny.  I dare anyone to try and get through "Shades of Grey", "Code of Honor", "Justice" or the majority of the "Turd" season of TOS.

The absolute nadir of Star Trek though is "Turnabout Intruder" where it is identified that women cannot command starships because of their poor little brains.

Offset

darthed1981 said:

I've enjoyed all the new Trek.

At it's worst it's never been nearly as bad as Trek at it's very worst, and at it's best it's been damn nearly as good as Trek has ever been (except maybe for some of the legendary episodes).

Discovery is sooo, sooo far from the "worst" it isn't even funny.  I dare anyone to try and get through "Shades of Grey", "Code of Honor", "Justice" or the majority of the "Turd" season of TOS.

The absolute nadir of Star Trek though is "Turnabout Intruder" where it is identified that women cannot command starships because of their poor little brains.

Yep. But it was shite regardless of that and an awful signoff for a generally wonderful programme.

fretmeister

Shades of Gray was so obviously a “we need to stretch the budget” episode done really badly.

Code of Honour was surprising even when it was released.

darthed1981

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darthed1981 said:

I've enjoyed all the new Trek.

At it's worst it's never been nearly as bad as Trek at it's very worst, and at it's best it's been damn nearly as good as Trek has ever been (except maybe for some of the legendary episodes).

Discovery is sooo, sooo far from the "worst" it isn't even funny.  I dare anyone to try and get through "Shades of Grey", "Code of Honor", "Justice" or the majority of the "Turd" season of TOS.

The absolute nadir of Star Trek though is "Turnabout Intruder" where it is identified that women cannot command starships because of their poor little brains.

Yep. But it was shite regardless of that and an awful signoff for a generally wonderful programme.

Oh yeah even horrible sexism aside it's a horrible piece of television, it's not terrible but funny like "Spock's Brain" or "And The Children Shall Lead..." - its just terrible.

darthed1981

fretmeister said:

Shades of Gray was so obviously a “we need to stretch the budget” episode done really badly.

Code of Honour was surprising even when it was released.

Yes quite, in both cases.

There is a genuine argument for taking "Code of Honor" out of circulation, as a bit like @offset said above about "Turnabout.." it's not just the terrible racism, it's also just... shit.