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markr76

sinbaadi said:

markr76 said:

We just had our race debrief at work (and champagne.) they said that even if red bull had pit for new tyres they still didn’t have the raw pace to beat Hamilton. Our car was just a shade quicker round there. Plus it was managing the tyres nicely. Where the red bull was a bit harder on its tyres. Plus Hamilton had the bit between his teeth after last weekends shambles!

Are you not in breach of NDA's galore by talking about any of the content of a team debrief?
(Even if it is generic and vague).

I didn’t say anything that wasn’t said after the race on tv. I wouldn’t give any info that’s important. I never give out the really interesting material. Maybe calling it team brief is the wrong term. Staff race debrief is a better term.

Maybe you’re right though. Maybe I should just stay away from this thread in future!

breakstuff

markr76 said:

sinbaadi said:

markr76 said:

We just had our race debrief at work (and champagne.) they said that even if red bull had pit for new tyres they still didn’t have the raw pace to beat Hamilton. Our car was just a shade quicker round there. Plus it was managing the tyres nicely. Where the red bull was a bit harder on its tyres. Plus Hamilton had the bit between his teeth after last weekends shambles!

Are you not in breach of NDA's galore by talking about any of the content of a team debrief?
(Even if it is generic and vague).

I didn’t say anything that wasn’t said after the race on tv. I wouldn’t give any info that’s important. I never give out the really interesting material. Maybe calling it team brief is the wrong term. Staff race debrief is a better term.

Maybe you’re right though. Maybe I should just stay away from this thread in future!

Please don't, it's really interesting to here things from an insiders perspective. 

Enjoyed all your posts up to now. 

Heartfeltdawn

markr76 said:

Well the Ferrari doesn’t corner as well as our car or the Red bull. They are super quick on the straights. Budapest is pretty much like a glorified karting track. Just 1 corner after the other!

They'll be a real threat at spa and monza I’d guess.

The pressure on Vettel at Monza is going to be huge this year. A car that's built for straights, home race, Leclerc champing at the bit... 

stickyfiddle

Heartfeltdawn said:

markr76 said:

Well the Ferrari doesn’t corner as well as our car or the Red bull. They are super quick on the straights. Budapest is pretty much like a glorified karting track. Just 1 corner after the other!

They'll be a real threat at spa and monza I’d guess.

The pressure on Vettel at Monza is going to be huge this year. A car that's built for straights, home race, Leclerc champing at the bit... 

I would very much like for that to be Charles' first win.

TimmyO

stickyfiddle said:

Heartfeltdawn said:

markr76 said:

Well the Ferrari doesn’t corner as well as our car or the Red bull. They are super quick on the straights. Budapest is pretty much like a glorified karting track. Just 1 corner after the other!

They'll be a real threat at spa and monza I’d guess.

The pressure on Vettel at Monza is going to be huge this year. A car that's built for straights, home race, Leclerc champing at the bit... 

I would very much like for that to be Charles' first win.

But would you bet on it over a Ferrari strategy implosion ? 

stickyfiddle

TimmyO said:

stickyfiddle said:

Heartfeltdawn said:

markr76 said:

Well the Ferrari doesn’t corner as well as our car or the Red bull. They are super quick on the straights. Budapest is pretty much like a glorified karting track. Just 1 corner after the other!

They'll be a real threat at spa and monza I’d guess.

The pressure on Vettel at Monza is going to be huge this year. A car that's built for straights, home race, Leclerc champing at the bit... 

I would very much like for that to be Charles' first win.

But would you bet on it over a Ferrari strategy implosion ? 

 

Lol. No, of course not! 

thumpingrug

breakstuff said:

markr76 said:

sinbaadi said:

markr76 said:

We just had our race debrief at work (and champagne.) they said that even if red bull had pit for new tyres they still didn’t have the raw pace to beat Hamilton. Our car was just a shade quicker round there. Plus it was managing the tyres nicely. Where the red bull was a bit harder on its tyres. Plus Hamilton had the bit between his teeth after last weekends shambles!

Are you not in breach of NDA's galore by talking about any of the content of a team debrief?
(Even if it is generic and vague).

I didn’t say anything that wasn’t said after the race on tv. I wouldn’t give any info that’s important. I never give out the really interesting material. Maybe calling it team brief is the wrong term. Staff race debrief is a better term.

Maybe you’re right though. Maybe I should just stay away from this thread in future!

Please don't, it's really interesting to here things from an insiders perspective. 

Enjoyed all your posts up to now. 

Wholeheartedly agree.  @markr76  Its really good to have your view from inside the team, limitation on content are clearly understood and accepted but your enthusiasm when you get a win is a joy to behold.  Please keep it up when you can.

TimmyO

Gasly out

Albon to Red Bull 

stickyfiddle

TimmyO said:

Gasly out

Albon to Red Bull 

[surprised pikachu]

Heartfeltdawn

Albon was 3rd in F2 last season seven points behind Norris in 2nd, both of whom being way off George Russell's final tally of 287. Had Norris and Russell not been pretty decent in F1 this year, I don't think RB would have gone for this. He's defintely worth a punt. 

TimmyO

Don't discount RB chewing Albon up and spitting him out at the end of the season. Their meatgrinder isn't the most efficient driver program around

Cols

I predict Albon will fare no better.

Red Bull have painted themselves into a corner with their dogged determination to recruit only from within their own driver development programme.  The cupboard’s bare.

thumpingrug

Was Gasly doing that bad?  Seems a harsh decision.

PC_Dave

thumpingrug said:

Was Gasly doing that bad? 

Yes. Really yes. 

thumpingrug

PC_Dave said:

thumpingrug said:

Was Gasly doing that bad? 

Yes. Really yes. 

He's currently 6th in the championship with albon way down.  Those above him are his teammate, the two Ferrari's and the Mercedes.  Not sure he could be doing much more.   Im more surprised that Kubica is beating Russel.

Heartfeltdawn

thumpingrug said:

PC_Dave said:

thumpingrug said:

Was Gasly doing that bad? 

Yes. Really yes. 

He's currently 6th in the championship with albon way down.  Those above him are his teammate, the two Ferrari's and the Mercedes.  Not sure he could be doing much more.   Im more surprised that Kubica is beating Russel.

Russell's outqualified him in every race this season and been ahead of him in all bar one race. 

Russell's accumulated finishing position over 12 races: 186/12 = 15.5
Kubica's accumulated finishing position over 12 races = 202/12 = 16.8

So in terms of points Kubica is beating Russell but in terms of everything else on the track, GR all the way. 

And hey, no retirements from either of them. Williams must be bloody happy with the comparative lack of repair bill since the Maldonado days. 

stickyfiddle

thumpingrug said:

PC_Dave said:

thumpingrug said:

Was Gasly doing that bad? 

Yes. Really yes. 

He's currently 6th in the championship with albon way down.  Those above him are his teammate, the two Ferrari's and the Mercedes.  Not sure he could be doing much more.   Im more surprised that Kubica is beating Russel.

True, but Max has 5 podiums including 2 wins and a pole, while Gasly has a single 4th and one 5h as his best results. 

It it could be that the car is actually quite hard to drive but Max has the knack for it, in which case we’ll see quickly depending on Albon’s performance. 

I cant see them dumping either driver from the RB stable though - they simply don’t have enough junior drives to fill another gap

TimmyO

thumpingrug said:

PC_Dave said:

thumpingrug said:

Was Gasly doing that bad? 

Yes. Really yes. 

He's currently 6th in the championship with albon way down.  Those above him are his teammate, the two Ferrari's and the Mercedes.  Not sure he could be doing much more.   Im more surprised that Kubica is beating Russel.

It's where he's been finishing - his inability to score to the points potential of the car is a big problem. It's been a thing for a good while but the team have waited until even the mainstream sports media are making noise about it - ie until the investors in fizzy drinks companies start complaining

Cols

thumpingrug said:

Was Gasly doing that bad?  Seems a harsh decision.

Unfortunately he was.  He’s an excellent driver, but he was getting lapped by his teammate and fighting with the Toro Rossos.  

Since he stepped up to the senior team he’s been under a huge amount of pressure - Marko’s been gunning for him, the expectation was that he’ll match Verstappen and it hasn’t happened.

I don’t think I’ve seen anyone as woeful at man management as Helmut Marko.  14 years of drivers through the Red Bull mincer, and only Vettel, Ricciardo and Verstappen have survived with their dignity intact.  That’s a hell of a rate of attrition.

stickyfiddle

Cols said:

thumpingrug said:

Was Gasly doing that bad?  Seems a harsh decision.

Unfortunately he was.  He’s an excellent driver, but he was getting lapped by his teammate and fighting with the Toro Rossos.  

Since he stepped up to the senior team he’s been under a huge amount of pressure - Marko’s been gunning for him, the expectation was that he’ll match Verstappen and it hasn’t happened.

I don’t think I’ve seen anyone as woeful at man management as Helmut Marko.  14 years of drivers through the Red Bull mincer, and only Vettel, Ricciardo and Verstappen have survived with their dignity intact.  That’s a hell of a rate of attrition.

To be fair JEV has won just about everything he’s done post-F1. Not that it’s any of Marko’s doing. Dumping him and Alguesuari at the same time was the madness that started the path they currently find themselves on.