Best laugh I've had in years, Murphy lab refinish

Danielsguitars

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GoldenEraGuitars

I want that laugh as a soundbyte I can send to people

Kittyfrisk

Now that's what I call rapid relicing :-D

GoldenEraGuitars

Kittyfrisk said:

Now that's what I call rapid relicing :-D

After one pull of the tape it’s worth an extra grand. 

#darrenknowsthescore

Offset

I'm somewhat lost for words.  How much do those things cost new?!

Danielsguitars

Offset said:

I'm somewhat lost for words.  How much do those things cost new?!

I'll post the rest up as a refinish because I can't believe what the wood looks like on the sides, I can't see any grain just a dirty mess, I hope it comes clean 

euan

Reading the comments it’s obvious how many people have fallen for the marketing 

notsopro

context is key though right? is this one of the early models that was known to have this issues, that Gibson acknowledged was an issue, took responsibility and said would be re done under warranty, or is this a recent model? 

Has the customer contacted Gibson and they refused to repair etc, all these things are quite relevant.

euan

You say that, but in recent interviews with Tom Murphy he was very much to talk up how easily the finish fell off as a feature not a a problem. This is post the supposed filler issue 

GoldenEraGuitars

notsopro said:

context is key though right?

It is. I believe Darren said this wasn’t an early model 

earwighoney

notsopro said:

context is key though right? is this one of the early models that was known to have this issues, that Gibson acknowledged was an issue, took responsibility and said would be re done under warranty, or is this a recent model? 

Has the customer contacted Gibson and they refused to repair etc, all these things are quite relevant.

Darren mentioned to me Gibson said they wouldn't repair it, so he will.

notsopro

I'll be honest, I didn't read the comments, just watched the video.. 2024 right, everything has to be <30 seconds or too much time right? but yeah, if it is a newer model, that's really not a good look considering it was 'fixed'. 

and in reply to euan, I wasn't saying anything, I was suggesting knowing the story will give us a bigger picture of what the issues are / how widespread they are etc. Don't have a murphy lab, not looking to buy one, so no dog in the fight here.

Danielsguitars

notsopro said:

context is key though right? is this one of the early models that was known to have this issues, that Gibson acknowledged was an issue, took responsibility and said would be re done under warranty, or is this a recent model? 

Has the customer contacted Gibson and they refused to repair etc, all these things are quite relevant.

I will say this only once, in the ello ello voice.

I don't care what year this is, if I put just one out like this I'd be out of business, it's unbelievably shite, the ageing, colour everything is wrong, gibson would not take it back apparently then it got passed along until my customer thought he'd have it refinished.

I don't want to know how good your Murphys are either, I'm not talking about them, I'm showing this as part of my business as a builder, restorer, refinisher 

I will post pics up of what colour the body looks and I just hope it cleans up because it looks awful right now.

Danielsguitars

While I'm at it, I also got contacted off the back of this about the finish falling off his LP tribute model and the guy is genuinely gutted and can't afford to have it done, now he's considering trading it for an Epiphone.

notsopro

Danielsguitars said:

notsopro said:

context is key though right? is this one of the early models that was known to have this issues, that Gibson acknowledged was an issue, took responsibility and said would be re done under warranty, or is this a recent model? 

Has the customer contacted Gibson and they refused to repair etc, all these things are quite relevant.

I will say this only once, in the ello ello voice.

I don't care what year this is, if I put just one out like this I'd be out of business, it's unbelievably shite, the ageing, colour everything is wrong, gibson would not take it back apparently then it got passed along until my customer thought he'd have it refinished.

I don't want to know how good your Murphys are either, I'm not talking about them, I'm showing this as part of my business as a builder, restorer, refinisher 

I will post pics up of what colour the body looks and I just hope it cleans up because it looks awful right now.

I'm sure you don't care, honestly I don't care if you like them either, but when a company suggests there is a flaw with a product and they claim to fix it, i think it's relevant to a conversation, suggesting you'd go out of business if you put those guitars out just sounds like a meaningless rant, of course you would, you're a smaller builder, you don't have the business history that Gibson have, comparing your business with there's is not logical. There's a discussion to have if that is right or wrong, but unfortunately it's the way it is in business.

Honestly that whole statement in my view isn't a good look, it's like 'this is my view, if you don't agree I don't want to hear about it, i know best'... all I did was suggest if we had some more detail it might give more context to the situation. 

GoldenEraGuitars

notsopro said:

Danielsguitars said:

notsopro said:

context is key though right? is this one of the early models that was known to have this issues, that Gibson acknowledged was an issue, took responsibility and said would be re done under warranty, or is this a recent model? 

Has the customer contacted Gibson and they refused to repair etc, all these things are quite relevant.

I will say this only once, in the ello ello voice.

I don't care what year this is, if I put just one out like this I'd be out of business, it's unbelievably shite, the ageing, colour everything is wrong, gibson would not take it back apparently then it got passed along until my customer thought he'd have it refinished.

I don't want to know how good your Murphys are either, I'm not talking about them, I'm showing this as part of my business as a builder, restorer, refinisher 

I will post pics up of what colour the body looks and I just hope it cleans up because it looks awful right now.

I'm sure you don't care, honestly I don't care if you like them either, but when a company suggests there is a flaw with a product and they claim to fix it, i think it's relevant to a conversation, suggesting you'd go out of business if you put those guitars out just sounds like a meaningless rant, of course you would, you're a smaller builder, you don't have the business history that Gibson have, comparing your business with there's is not logical. There's a discussion to have if that is right or wrong, but unfortunately it's the way it is in business.

Honestly that whole statement in my view isn't a good look, it's like 'this is my view, if you don't agree I don't want to hear about it, i know best'... all I did was suggest if we had some more detail it might give more context to the situation. 

He has quite openly said he is showing this as a refinish/restoration which is one of the things he specialises in. I think a lot of people would appreciate an honest and frank look at a £5,000+ guitar being stripped and refinished by a luthier/painting specialist given the brief turbulent history Murphy Lab Gibsons have had since their release. 

And he’s right, we’re not talking about everyone else’s Murphy Labs, he can only talk about the one he has on his bench. 

As someone who offers a restoration service as well I can say I enjoy seeing the “behind the scenes” of these jobs. 

notsopro

I agree with everything you've just said, apart from I'm not sure the need for 'I don't want to hear how good your Murphy labs are' when up to this point, no one had suggested theirs was good, so it's him that's brought up the idea of comparing, and I never once suggested it was a bad thing to document, I was interested in what year it was, and for example apparently it's ended up with his customer, again here is where context is the key, if his customer bought it off a dealer after a warranty / recall period was finished and agreed to that it was taken as is, at a discount, then it's a completely different story to if a customer bought it, had it for 12 months, this happened and then a store / Gibson refused to deal with it. 

It looks to me like the mere suggestion of me saying some extra details or context would be interesting was met with negativity, not sure why.

WezV

We really need a gaffa tape pulling comparison with a pre-ML custom shop and an original 59.  Anyone got some they are willing to try it on

TDubs

WezV said:

We really need a gaffa tape pulling comparison with a pre-ML custom shop and an original 59.  Anyone got some they are willing to try it on

I’ve got one but it’s currently being refinished by the Murphy Lab team 

Danielsguitars

The reason why I just said I'm not interested in any other Murphys is because you're very typical in the we can't bash them camp, I just had to tell a guy on Facebook who wouldn't leave my post alone that I'll remove any more comments because he refuses to accept things like this are not ok.

Can we talk about the 3 Yr old tribute then who gibson won't accept responsibility for the finish falling off.

Danielsguitars

Also I know someone who went to try an early one but couldn't because the laquer decided to stick itself to the case lining, oh how we laughed and only thousands of pounds to you gov