Why do people get so upset about pricing?

Offset

Sporky said:

Philly_Q said:

Why is the seller Dick Dastardly?

Because of the hat and moustache.

And the grumpy dog.

jellybelly

I get what the OP is saying. Would suggest that at least some (or mine at least) is puzzlement/bafflement/miffed-ness that extends well beyond the guitar world. 

Do enough people really have the money for a new 'Murphy Lab' Gibson, or to privately buy at top of the range BMW X8, or to pay £200 for a £40 bottle of champagne in a pretentious bar to make selling any of those things for that price economically viable? Apparently there are, and hence my bafflement. 

Dr_Necessiter

Actually, what I’ve realised is that I don’t have a dog in this fight: I don’t mind people making money and I’m only ever going to buy from a bricks and mortar shop or off here if I’m comfortable with the seller’s profile. If I sell I’ll probably do so at a shop to shift some of the stuff I’m not using and to save the hassle of dealing directly with buyers. 

If I buy big it’ll be from somewhere I can try a number of similar items and make a half-informed choice but I’m a bad player and an amateur so that’s a long way off. 

darthed1981

Sporky said:

Philly_Q said:

Why is the seller Dick Dastardly?

Because of the hat and moustache.

and Muttley sniggering whenever he sells an Epiphone for 5k.

goldtop

darthed1981 said:

Sporky said:

Philly_Q said:

Why is the seller Dick Dastardly?

Because of the hat and moustache.

and Muttley sniggering whenever he sells an Epiphone for 5k.

Have you seen the price of dogs recently? Puts guitar price rises into perspective. 

https://www.countryliving.com/uk/wildlife/dog-breeds/a39824710/dog-breeds-price-increase/

Roland

Offset said:

OilCityPickups said:

Roland said:

I have no problem with people making a profit on a transaction. Similarly, I have no problem with someone selling a guitar quickly at a low price in order to fund another purchase or unexpected expense, and having that same guitar re-appear closer to its market value, and being sold over a longer timescale.

However this forum is funded and supported by its members. What I do object to, on members’ behalf, is people who use forum resources solely for their own personal gain without contributing to forum finances or knowledge pool. I also object to dishonesty. 

Totally agree with you there ... unfortunately there are quite a few 'members' who  seem, most of the time,k to inhabit the Classified section only ... I think we are not the only forum to suffer this. 

Problem is - how do you weed the buggers out???

With the help of forum members

darthed1981

Roland said:

Offset said:

OilCityPickups said:

Roland said:

I have no problem with people making a profit on a transaction. Similarly, I have no problem with someone selling a guitar quickly at a low price in order to fund another purchase or unexpected expense, and having that same guitar re-appear closer to its market value, and being sold over a longer timescale.

However this forum is funded and supported by its members. What I do object to, on members’ behalf, is people who use forum resources solely for their own personal gain without contributing to forum finances or knowledge pool. I also object to dishonesty. 

Totally agree with you there ... unfortunately there are quite a few 'members' who  seem, most of the time,k to inhabit the Classified section only ... I think we are not the only forum to suffer this. 

Problem is - how do you weed the buggers out???

With the help of forum members

Anyone else thinking of the classic Rathbone-era Sherlock Holmes film where the murderer uses a "five-prong garden weeder" as a weapon so he looks like a monster?

I'm not suggesting we should do the same - just offset made me think of it.

sev112

Lot of conservatives in the discussions, when most in here tend to show socialist principles 

birtner

Boomers gonna boom

 The guitar/music community, for me, was always a place for artists or those with artistic tendencies to come together and be. Fiscal ideals may have a place in that community but when we’re being screwed by a supposed ‘one of our own’ it’s like a slap in the face. I buy and sell guitars because, for me, the guitar is a way of expressing myself and I like to explore the tools I use to do that. It’s now harder to do that which won’t kill me but it can be frustrating. 

Philly_Q

OK, the last couple of posts have shifted the discussion a bit.... so people should be buying and selling (or perhaps swapping) guitars as a sort of musical socialist collective?

bgmartinsbridge

Socialists are always socialists until they can make a penny or a pound :-) 

OilCityPickups

sev112 said:

Lot of conservatives in the discussions, when most in here tend to show socialist principles 

As a product of boys private school I naturally became a member of the communist party during my punk teens ... and have been way out on the left ever since ... doesn't stop me realising that if you aren't a 'wage slave' or a capitalist businessman you probably ain't going to pay the rent ...  

notsopro

What I don’t get is when people say how great Harley Benton’s and the cheaper end of the market are.. the points about inflation, wages, economics, profit margins are not mentioned. It’s almost like they don’t care about the Chinese economy and the cost of living over there, as long as they get a good quality product, no thoughts about how it was that cheap.

Musical_Mystery_Tour

I don't think it's so much get upset, as have an opinion. I really couldn't care less about the monetary aspect of collectors swapping Gibson Les Pauls between each other for stupid money to just have and admire/keep as an investment, rather than play. But...

It's got bugger all to do with music. I have a similar opinion on other 'collectibles', for example old toys such as Dinky and Matchbox cars which trade places in mint condition, still in their boxes; to me there are few things more sad than a toy which has never been played with and loved by a small kid, and I think the same thing about musical instruments. 

darthed1981

notsopro said:

What I don’t get is when people say how great Harley Benton’s and the cheaper end of the market are.. the points about inflation, wages, economics, profit margins are not mentioned. It’s almost like they don’t care about the Chinese economy and the cost of living over there, as long as they get a good quality product, no thoughts about how it was that cheap.

I work with a few Chinese people.

Trust me, they don't want the Brits telling them how to run their country.

Given the shithole we are turning our country into, the idea of us telling a superpower they do everything wrong is laughable.

notsopro

darthed1981 said:

notsopro said:

What I don’t get is when people say how great Harley Benton’s and the cheaper end of the market are.. the points about inflation, wages, economics, profit margins are not mentioned. It’s almost like they don’t care about the Chinese economy and the cost of living over there, as long as they get a good quality product, no thoughts about how it was that cheap.

I work with a few Chinese people.

Trust me, they don't want the Brits telling them how to run their country.

Given the shithole we are turning our country into, the idea of us telling a superpower they do everything wrong is laughable.

I think you completely missed the point, what did I say to suggest we should tell them what they do wrong? No idea why you working with Chinese people has any relevance at all to my point. I was simply pointing out when we look at the cost of some of the high end guitars and talk about cost of living crisis, we don’t apply the same thoughts to the countries where cheaper guitars are made. When we talk about relative value of guitar to our ‘wage’ for example, a Harley benton to someone on minimum wage in china, is likely to be a large cost.

TeleMaster

darthed1981 said:

notsopro said:

What I don’t get is when people say how great Harley Benton’s and the cheaper end of the market are.. the points about inflation, wages, economics, profit margins are not mentioned. It’s almost like they don’t care about the Chinese economy and the cost of living over there, as long as they get a good quality product, no thoughts about how it was that cheap.

I work with a few Chinese people.

Trust me, they don't want the Brits telling them how to run their country.

Given the shithole we are turning our country into, the idea of us telling a superpower they do everything wrong is laughable.

It's true. A lot of their infrastructure, railways, roads, technological advancements are far superior to what we have here. Say what you want about the authoritarian regime, I'm right there with you, but China has lifted 100's of millions out of pretty much absolute poverty, famines into the 21st century with many people having a high standard of living with a higher life expectancy than the USA. The newspapers don't really tell you that and it really is remarkable.

Zoolooter

The guitar world ain’t a patch on the audiophile crazies. £72,000 for a power amp, anyone tempted…https://dougbradyhifi.com/products/gryphon-audio-antileon-evo-mono-power-amplifier-pair?variant=42825814606036&currency=GBP&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&utm_campaign=gs-2021-01-08&utm_source=google&utm_medium=smart_campaign&gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI576fw4zJhAMVRpJoCR1knQX7EAQYByABEgKgyfD_BwE

digitalscream

notsopro said:

What I don’t get is when people say how great Harley Benton’s and the cheaper end of the market are.. the points about inflation, wages, economics, profit margins are not mentioned. It’s almost like they don’t care about the Chinese economy and the cost of living over there, as long as they get a good quality product, no thoughts about how it was that cheap.

Because inflation and the cost of living in the west (even before the recent crisis) means that prices for western-produced goods will naturally grow to exceed the price almost any westerner is willing (or able) to pay.

How many people do you think would take up playing guitar if they had to shell out £2.5k+ for a basic amp and guitar setup?

TeleMaster

Zoolooter said:

The guitar world ain’t a patch on the audiophile crazies. £72,000 for a power amp, anyone tempted…https://dougbradyhifi.com/products/gryphon-audio-antileon-evo-mono-power-amplifier-pair?variant=42825814606036&currency=GBP&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&utm_campaign=gs-2021-01-08&utm_source=google&utm_medium=smart_campaign&gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI576fw4zJhAMVRpJoCR1knQX7EAQYByABEgKgyfD_BwE

Also the synth lot. I went to this guys house once to pick up a Rev 2 and he had a church next to his house filled with euro rack/modular synth wall to wall, with old Moogs worth 10's of thousands. Absolutely mad. Then you consider entry level wind instruments, and violins that still cost thousands, and then concert grade ones that cost 10's of thousands and you realise that we've got it easy!