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FX_Munkee

lloyd said:

The problem with Rule 1 and enforcing it is that my interpretation of somebody being a dick is not necessarily what yours or others would be. 

Which is why I personally interpret it as "would others consider this dickish?" You know, like I do in real life(TM).
Agree about the ambiguity in being able to enforce it though.

lloyd

FX_Munkee said: lloyd said: The problem with Rule 1 and enforcing it is that my interpretation of somebody being a dick is not necessarily what yours or others would be.  Which is why I personally interpret it as "would others consider this dickish?" You know, like I do in real life(TM).
Agree about the ambiguity in being able to enforce it though.
Yeah that's how I'd like to think that I do it, but sometimes you (not aimed at you)  might think you're not being a dick to someone but someone could take offence (sometimes on the behalf of someone else).

not_the_dj

Would people's (and the mods) opinions of Drew on the dick scale be any different if he was a new member who'd just signed up?

How would a new member be treated if they signed up, posted a bit about his band and amps, whilst also making the sort of comments he's infamous for.

Snap

I guess you should address people how you would want to be addressed yourself. I know I can come out with some half thought out crap (usually cos it is half thought out, and is a stream of consciousness half the time), and the difficulty with forum posting is that your face can't be seen as you're posting, and I'm sure a lot of what gets posted is not intended to offend.

Some of what he posts, from what I've seen comes across as a bit angry.

randomhandclaps

not_the_dj said:

Would people's (and the mods) opinions of Drew on the dick scale be any different if he was a new member who'd just signed up?

How would a new member be treated if they signed up, posted a bit about his band and amps, whilst also making the sort of comments he's infamous for.

I think that's seems a completely fair point and I think we all know the answer.  Ultimately I suppose in an social circle people become 'characters' and are probably able to take more liberties (so to speak).  Also familiarity breeds a comfort zone  You could look at it the other way that plenty of people get the piss taken out of them by other for habitual behaviour which again wouldn't necessarily be addressed at new member. As with real life it's all contextual. 

PolarityMan

I think the other interesting thing about online communities is that people can drop into conversations at any point, so if you are behaving in a way that would be perfectly fine with one set of people then others can parachute into the thread to take offense.

It's kind of like eavesdroppers in a pub.

Not saying that's what happened in the incident you all mentioned since I haven't read the thread but it's certainly something to bear in mind, I'd say.

maltingsaudio

lloyd said:

The problem with Rule 1 and enforcing it is that my interpretation of somebody being a dick is not necessarily what yours or others would be. 

Big mistake... in an effort to lighten this thread I googled Dickometer !

dafuzz

PolarityMan said:

I think the other interesting thing about online communities is that people can drop into conversations at any point, so if you are behaving in a way that would be perfectly fine with one set of people then others can parachute into the thread to take offense.

It's kind of like eavesdroppers in a pub.

Wisdom. And fwiw I fucking hate people who do that

http://rohan7things.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/stephen-fry.jpg

randomhandclaps

maltingsaudio said:

lloyd said:

The problem with Rule 1 and enforcing it is that my interpretation of somebody being a dick is not necessarily what yours or others would be. 

Big mistake... in an effort to lighten this thread I googled Dickometer !

Just count yourself lucky that Google didn't redefine your search for you and bring up results for Irish pornstar Dick O'Metre.  That guy's a freak of nature.

Bucket

randomhandclaps said: Or after Drew was placed in the cooler, to refocus his attitude, we have a complete repeat of last time with comments (ironically) like "Ah, I believe The Bully In Chief can't be with us tonight, so perhaps we are allowed opinions after all.  O ho.".

From the writing style and distinctive turn of phrase, I think I can guess who said this, and it saddens me.

I've been wrestling with this issue for a while and believe me, it's difficult to post this because I've always liked the chap very much and have no desire to upset or fall out with him, but recently I've been very disappointed with the way he's conducted himself where Drew is concerned. It always comes across as very snide, passive-aggressive and holier-than-thou - and above all hypocritical, because yes, I believe it's reached the point where it could be called bullying. I don't think it should surprise us for Drew to get angry about it. It's a real shame.

meltedbuzzbox

lloyd said:

The problem with Rule 1 and enforcing it is that my interpretation of somebody being a dick is not necessarily what yours or others would be. 

I thought we didnt talk about the first rule?

Handsome_Chris

Wise words, @Bucket.  I think the blame-thrower is not being fairly used about the forum.  I think Drews history precludes him from receiving equal treatment.  For me it means that if I pick up someone for being a count, then I have to do it for everybody else.  Of course the sensible thing for me to do would be to PM the person and have a word, or better still, just ignore them.

not_the_dj

Handsome_Chris said:

 I think Drews history precludes him from receiving equal treatment.  

Likewise his history also gives him more leeway to be a slightly bigger cock than the standard cock.

frankus

The problem with "treat others as you'd want to be treated" is some people want to be treated with a lot more reverence than others.

Anyone who's met Drew knows he's well meaning but irreverent, other people may be the same or have friends the same, so fall into step and get on, but if you've lived in a stately home or up your own are hole most of yourlife you're likely to have a time seeing there's no malice in anything he says, he's moved on a second later, if your still clinging to the sense of impropriety it's not what he intended.

jd0272

not_the_dj;454039" said:

Handsome_Chris said:

 I think Drews history precludes him from receiving equal treatment.  





Likewise his history also gives him more leeway to be a slightly bigger cock than the standard cock.

I think he'll like that!!!!

Bless 'im. He's no bother.

randomhandclaps

frankus said:

The problem with "treat others as you'd want to be treated" is some people want to be treated with a lot more reverence than others.

I agree Frank, that's 50% of the problem that I observe too.  It's strange though as a lot of times I suspect that those who are desperate for unremitting reverence online are probably those who see little of it in the real world.  In that sense that have already brought and axe to grind before even logging on.

frankus

I understand that only too well, I've often found people on here have given me what I need rather than what I want: I think I want respect, what I get is the piss taken out of me but acceptance.

Works a treat because it changes my view of the problems outside.

PolarityMan

frankus;454040" said:

The problem with "treat others as you'd want to be treated" is some people want to be treated with a lot more reverence than others.

Quoted for insight.

PVO_Dave

Very tough for forum mods / admin to decide what he best action to take is in situations like this, you'll always end up pissing on someones chips.

Biggest problem with any 'character' on a forum is not everyone knows it and newbies might just think they are browsing a hostile forum, where it might have just been intended as a joke / banter (*shudder*)

No issues with Drew btw, just talking about general experience from running my own forum.

littlegreenman

No probs with @Drew_FX here, I actually think the place is lessened by his absence. A very knowledgeable and talented musician who contributes a lot to the forum, not to mention an utter gear-whore!

Sure, he can be controversial and some may not like his posting style sometimes but this is the inferwebs and we do have the ignore feature for those who choose to take offence (not something I ever use personally as I believe in free speech).

Whatever the reason for the current ban (let's face it, a temporary ban is still a ban), I look forward to his return.