EU Referendum Vote - Poll

Bidley

hugbot said:

Bidley said:

Well the EU sounds like an organisation that has our best interests at heart, we should definitely stay part of it.

/s

Dealings between nations can't really be thought off as a personal thing.

So why is that the particular yarn being spun?

karltone

You don't need a trade deal, just free trade. If a country imposes tariffs they are only hurting their own consumers and making their own economies less productive.

Mkjackary

ICBM said:

Mkjackary said:

Why would they do that for canada and then not do that with someone who buys 10 times more...

Because Canada hasn't gone out of its way to piss them off.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbot_War

http://i.imgur.com/IBW8Jfj.jpg

hugbot

Bidley said:

hugbot said:

Bidley said:

Well the EU sounds like an organisation that has our best interests at heart, we should definitely stay part of it.

/s

Dealings between nations can't really be thought off as a personal thing.

So why is that the particular yarn being spun?

Make no mistake you can definitely antagonise other nations. But I'm saying specifically the notion that the EU is being meanies by not wanting us to go easy isn't really persuading me that obviously shows what good idea it is to leave.

Its like, thats an argument that would be valid if you were talking about your girlfriend -  "if you really loved me you would let me go, the fact that you're so clingy just shows you don't REALLY love me", but it doesen't really hold water on a global politics level. 

I don't really expect the EU to have us "close to their heart", or be our best friends, its made up a of a bunch of places that used to war with each other constantly until we begrudgingly decided to trade instead. I just expect them to scratch our back so long as we scratch theirs. When our backscratching stops I don't expect theirs to continue unabated.

ICBM

ToneControl said:

we're all doomed.... I get the message

No, just making it harder for ourselves than we need to. You can be sure that if we do leave, the EU won't make it any easier than they have to for us to go back in, and it's almost certain we would not get the sort of concessions we do now.

ToneControl

ICBM said:

ToneControl said:

we're all doomed.... I get the message

No, just making it harder for ourselves than we need to. You can be sure that if we do leave, the EU won't make it any easier than they have to for us to go back in, and it's almost certain we would not get the sort of concessions we do now.

who would want to rejoin? 

ICBM

Possibly the UK, when we find out that life outside the EU is not quite the land of milk, honey and greener grass promised by Boris and co.

Phil_aka_Pip

ICBM said:

Possibly the UK, when we find out that life outside the EU is not quite the land of milk, honey and greener grass promised by Boris and co.

I don't think there's going to be any of that inside or out. The people who promise it (in either direction) are bribing or scaremongering.

Clarky

purely hypothetically thinking…

it'd be interesting to see what'd happen to the EU if the UK voted out, and then after it's initial wobble went on to thrive in a big way..

Bidley

hugbot said:

Bidley said:

hugbot said:

Bidley said:

Well the EU sounds like an organisation that has our best interests at heart, we should definitely stay part of it.

/s

Dealings between nations can't really be thought off as a personal thing.

So why is that the particular yarn being spun?

Make no mistake you can definitely antagonise other nations. But I'm saying specifically the notion that the EU is being meanies by not wanting us to go easy isn't really persuading me that obviously shows what good idea it is to leave.

I don't see it as much of a reason to stay, either.

The threats (and that's exactly what they are) don't endear those parties to anyone. Nobody is expecting the EU to bend over for us, but then the idea that we should kneel and kiss the ring, else we feel the full wrath of the Empire EU is hardly a wonderful proposition.

Bidley

ICBM said:

Possibly the UK, when we find out that life outside the EU is not quite the land of milk, honey and greener grass promised by Boris and co.

I thought what would happen outside the EU was a complete mystery? Or are there stone cold facts on what the future holds now?

I don't think many are under the illusion that leaving the EU would present any kind of utopia. This referendum is mostly about which pile of shit you like more, and which party you'd rather be sodomised by.

Phil_aka_Pip

Bidley said:

which party you'd rather be sodomised by.

If I can't avoid it, then hopefully the one with the smallest willy

Chalky

@ICBM - Surely you see that you argument has fallen to us leaving will "piss them off". So you're advocating staying with people who make foreign policy based on emotion?!

You sincerely believe the Germans will sacrifice their exports to us because we "piss them off"? They would put their economy into recession to do the same to us?!

You are giving perfect reasons to leave...

Fretwired

Hell hath no fury like a French farmer or wine producer who is told he can't sell to the UK or if he does he faces a large tariff. Herman the German also hasn't explained how he'd fill the EU budget hole left by the UK's exit.

We still have Commonwealth which will sell us wine and food - stuff the EU.

Rocker

@tonecontrol the link was to the RTE Aeriel site

ToneControl

Rocker said:

@tonecontrol the link was to the RTE Aeriel site

the page that came up had no news content though, and then today it's a different front page

was it about the border? I'd assumed you meant the people of NI

Drew_TNBD

ICBM said:

Mkjackary said:

Why would they do that for canada and then not do that with someone who buys 10 times more...

Because Canada hasn't gone out of its way to piss them off.

Businesses that run on the basis of emotions don't tend to last very long.

ToneControl

ToneControl said:

ICBM said:

ToneControl said:

we're all doomed.... I get the message

No, just making it harder for ourselves than we need to. You can be sure that if we do leave, the EU won't make it any easier than they have to for us to go back in, and it's almost certain we would not get the sort of concessions we do now.

who would want to rejoin? 

OK - so you are suggesting we should not leave the EU, which will otherwise be taking over our political and legal system, 

because it is possible that they might retaliate by taxing their imports from us at 1.5%

I return to my theme "look at what other countries gave up, or fought against to gain independence"

USA - It took a war

Ireland - limited battles, then 70 years of poverty

Caribbean countries - poverty

Greece - wars

African countries - wars, often followed by poverty

etc

etc

so we'd pay 1.5% more for our BMWs, that cash going to the UK govt to spend in the UK

This is not a big sacrifice

chillidoggy

If we do leave, the EU will start to implode, it won't be in any position to dictate, because there'll be an orderly queue for the exit door.

Chalky

chillidoggy;1105193" said:

If we do leave, the EU will start to implode, it won't be in any position to dictate, because there'll be an orderly queue for the exit door.

We'll still be blamed for it. No doubt there will be concspiracy theories too....