That petition...

Garthy

Evilmags said:

leading US investor's view

http://www.garynorth.com/public/15368.cfm

The guy is fucking mental.

koneguitarist

I voted out so blame me!

Bogwhoppit

koneguitarist said:

I voted out so blame me!

and me.

I'm 'brexit' Spartacus.

Rocker

Question: the vote result is that the UK leaves the EU. Supposing Scotland leaves the UK and joins the EU. What is the position of the Monarch then in Scotland? Balmoral?

Another question: if Parliament rejects the referendum result what then? Can Parliament legally reject the leave vote?

Chalky

Rocker;1127943" said:

Question: the vote result is that the UK leaves the EU. Supposing Scotland leaves the UK and joins the EU. What is the position of the Monarch then in Scotland? Balmoral?

Another question: if Parliament rejects the referendum result what then? Can Parliament legally reject the leave vote?

The referendum is not binding on the govt so it could choose not to invoke Article50 and stay in the EU. Pretty sure some Tory MPs considering their leadership bid will be also be considering that strategy.

Heartfeltdawn

Rocker said:

Question: the vote result is that the UK leaves the EU. Supposing Scotland leaves the UK and joins the EU. What is the position of the Monarch then in Scotland? Balmoral?

She'll be replaced by Karen Gillan. 

Chalky

Heartfeltdawn;1127961" said:

Rocker said:

Question: the vote result is that the UK leaves the EU. Supposing Scotland leaves the UK and joins the EU. What is the position of the Monarch then in Scotland? Balmoral?












She'll be replaced by Karen Gillan. 

Brenda will not be the Head of State of an independent Scotland - they wouldn't want to repeat the problem Canada had when she was still their Head of State.

Fretwired

Rocker said:

Question: the vote result is that the UK leaves the EU. Supposing Scotland leaves the UK and joins the EU. What is the position of the Monarch then in Scotland? Balmoral?

Another question: if Parliament rejects the referendum result what then? Can Parliament legally reject the leave vote?

Balmoral is personally owned by the Queen. It's a private residence. It was bought by Prince Albert for Queen Victoria. Charles said he may leave it to the Scottish nation when he becomes King.

Once Scotland has split from the EU it can become a republic.

The referendum is not legally binding so Parliament could just reject it - if Junker had half a brain he'd offer something in return for Parliament rejecting the result. The man's a twat and is facing calls to resign for his incompetent handling of the affair.

However, if the referendum is rejected I can see millions on the street and perhaps (MI5 has already warned about this) the rise of a right-wing paramilitary organisation. It's also conceivable that UKIP could see a rise as voters reject the mainstream and vote for Farage and co to kick the Tories and Labour.

Sporky

UnclePsychosis said:

*Definitely* sounds like a sensible guy and not a loon. 

For balance, as I've said this when people have attacked pro-remain experts on the basis of their motivations rather than what they've said, we ought to be considering the content of North's article there, not dismissing him out-of-hand for being a deluded nutjob.

Then I read his article, and it's not even about economics or investment, it's about laughing as the world burns - the latter being his prediction, not mine.

Fretwired

Sporky said:

UnclePsychosis said:

*Definitely* sounds like a sensible guy and not a loon. 

For balance, as I've said this when people have attacked pro-remain experts on the basis of their motivations rather than what they've said,

Not me. I had a go at them based on their poor track record in predicting things in the past from the 2008 crash to the IMF saying he UK economy would tank in 2010. It didn't and they had to eat humble pie.

Bogwhoppit

Fretwired said:

However, if the referendum is rejected I can see millions on the street and perhaps

As I mentioned in another thread, if the referendum is rejected, I would never cast a vote again.

octatonic

Bogwhoppit said:

Fretwired said:

However, if the referendum is rejected I can see millions on the street and perhaps

As I mentioned in another thread, if the referendum is rejected, I would never cast a vote again.

The narrative seems to be shifting towards the UK leaving the EU but not the single market, which will mean that the free movement of people will remain unchanged.

So these people who voted for less immigration will be disappointed and Britain will have have no say in the laws and regulation.

The upside for me is that people who voted against immigration will have nothing to complain about because the question was 'Should Britain leave or remain in the EU' not 'Do you want all the foreigners chucked out or not'.

I'm hoping that whoever is the new PM calls an election before Article 50 is triggered.

My worry here is that once people realise what is happening then it could result in large swathes of people voting UKIP as a protest against Labour/Tories for not removing the free movement of people.

Drew_TNBD

octatonic said:

Bogwhoppit said:

Fretwired said:

However, if the referendum is rejected I can see millions on the street and perhaps

As I mentioned in another thread, if the referendum is rejected, I would never cast a vote again.

The narrative seems to be shifting towards the UK leaving the EU but not the single market, which will mean that the free movement of people will remain unchanged.

So these people who voted for less immigration will be disappointed and Britain will have have no say in the laws and regulation.

The upside for me is that people who voted against immigration will have nothing to complain about because the question was 'Should Britain leave or remain in the EU' not 'Do you want all the foreigners chucked out or not'.

There is a distinction that should be made however.

Freedom of movement and free movement of labour are not the same thing.

octatonic

I believe the exact term the EU uses is 'freedom of movement for workers' and is a requirement to access the single market.

Will be interesting to see if it will be possible for Britain to have one without the other.

Bogwhoppit

octatonic said:

Bogwhoppit said:

Fretwired said:

However, if the referendum is rejected I can see millions on the street and perhaps

As I mentioned in another thread, if the referendum is rejected, I would never cast a vote again.

So these people who voted for less immigration will be disappointed and Britain will have have no say in the laws and regulation.

The danger here is that many people did vote on the immigration card. How that will reflect in a general election is yet to be seen; however, I suspect it will put a few UKIP MPs into the commons.

Handsome_Chris

Are a lot of MEPs about to lose their jobs?

chillidoggy

Handsome_Chris said:

Are a lot of MEPs about to lose their jobs?

Not if they can help it, they'll be doing everything they can to keep a seat on the train.

siremoon

octatonic said:

I believe the exact term the EU uses is 'freedom of movement for workers' and is a requirement to access the single market.

Will be interesting to see if it will be possible for Britain to have one without the other.

What it all boils down to is that we need the single market, they need our market and our ability to contribute significantly to the budget.  The latter two points give us more leverage than most other countries would have in similar circumstances. 

Obviously their starting point was going to be to offer standard EEA terms but they must know that isn't going to wash so I think we'll end up with more than that ultimately.

Chalky

siremoon;1128126" said:

octatonic said:

I believe the exact term the EU uses is 'freedom of movement for workers' and is a requirement to access the single market.Will be interesting to see if it will be possible for Britain to have one without the other.










What it all boils down to is that we need the single market, they need our market and our ability to contribute significantly to the budget.  The latter two points give us more leverage than most other countries would have in similar circumstances. 



Obviously their starting point was going to be to offer standard EEA terms but they must know that isn't going to wash so I think we'll end up with more than that ultimately.

If its up to Juncker no, if its up to Merkel yes.

octatonic

Bogwhoppit said:

octatonic said:

Bogwhoppit said:

Fretwired said:

However, if the referendum is rejected I can see millions on the street and perhaps

As I mentioned in another thread, if the referendum is rejected, I would never cast a vote again.

So these people who voted for less immigration will be disappointed and Britain will have have no say in the laws and regulation.

The danger here is that many people did vote on the immigration card. How that will reflect in a general election is yet to be seen; however, I suspect it will put a few UKIP MPs into the commons.

Yes, this is why I see the timing of the GE as key.

The sooner it is the easier it will be to halt people who voted out against immigration moving towards UKIP.