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I'd rather use Gumtree every day for the rest of my life than go through what he went through.
For the record I Adey said: You can search and in more options put last month.
Been uploading old tracks I recorded ages ago and hopefully some new noodles here.
Moderating the forum may sound like fun - believe me, it isn’t. The modmins do it because it’s a fantastic community and a great way of giving back.
The classifieds are a free to use service. I want it to stay that way. But people intentionally trying to make a profit nefariously out of a service that requires my free time to run frankly fucks me off.
However, the rate of sale is more likely to be due to the much smaller audience. On average we have around 2-3k regular viewers per day. I suspect eBay has more like 1-2m per day for similar subsections...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrvWjRA80rM&t=8s
Ebay mark7777_1
Hey @guitars4you - don't try to drag me into this for the blame
Seriously, you were completely transparent about your role when joining, and since joining you have contributed a lot of knowledge, wisdom and advice to the community, and offered a fair few daft deals to the membership too - as well as donating stuff for forum-funding-raffles.
I think the issue here is with the hidden bedroom flippers. They contribute nothing (see below for caveat).
The forum started as a bunch of mates, who mostly knew each other. Gear changed hands at mates' rates, and often circled round the community at those mates' rates. Stuff was bought and sold on trust. Stuff was sent before being paid for. Stuff was loaned to a member-in-need. Sometimes stuff was just given away.
As the forum grew, others joined who didn't subscribe to the same community ethos. Fair enough, they weren't part of the original group, and there were no rules to stop them buying/selling and doing it for their benefit rather than the community's benefit.
Here's the caveat ... you could argue that they provide a service to the community (ie cash to sellers) whether with add sob-story or not. You could argue that case, and it'd be true. Accepted.
But the downside is that they take gear out of circulation within the forum and sell it off for personal profit elsewhere. The mates' rates deals disappear. And everyone becomes a little suspicious of who they're dealing with. The community ethos weakens - and that affects the whole forum, not just the Classifieds.
I'd argued for years that "we should do something" about that, to protect the community aspect. To retain the free Classifieds as a benefit for our "real" members rather than a resource for the drive-by flippers (who contribute nothing else) to mine. Good to see that Lee is going to bite that bullet.
But be aware that if the flippers get excluded, then stuff will get harder to shift, and it will probably have to priced more finely.
Back to mates' rates.
Is it really that bad for people? I listed a guitar on there earlier in the week. Fast forward to today & a lovely guy travelled 180 miles to come pick it up. Sold more guitars through there than anywhere else, & I can't recall a single bad experience.
again, I was transparent about my intentions, even made a thread on here about it and updated it with my dealings. And everyone I dealt with on that run is very happy with their purchases or trades.
The classifieds were set up to allow members of the community an opportunity to buy, sell and trade gear that they either had or wanted in the course of their playing.
The sad fact is, if the hidden trader thing carries on and continues to cause us hassle and we don’t change the rules then we may just end up pulling the classifieds completely for our own sanity.
i would argue I’m not the bedroom dealer you guys should have an issue with. The day I buy something on here and then relish at profit you can delete my account cos I’m not about that!!!
I asked you to consider the intentions and spirit of the community before listing.
If we thought you were a bedroom dealer you’d have lost your classifieds access by now.