Hi,
Why do some folk on here get so upset about pricing?
Shops buy at x and sell at y.
Guitar shops buy at x and sell at y.
Bedroom dealers buy at x and sell at y.
I get the vibe there are plenty of people on here who own houses, cars and some lovely guitars
If you bought your house 10 years ago for X and it is worth y in the current market, no one sells it at X our of moral principal. No one.
Every car dealer ever buys a car at X and sells it a y. Main dealer, second hand dealer, small dealer. Cars generally depreciate. No one is going to be surprised by buying a car new for x and it being worth a lot less 100,000 miles later.
If you don't want it don't buy it?
I would love to buy some (super amazing thing guitar, house, collectors item guitar) for what it was worth before I was born, but that's not possible. They don't cost that now.
An acquaintance had to sell a V12 E type car (because he had been very bad and the courts gave home a whopping fine). He was tracing the price of them 40 years later. He has missed the only way to still have that car instead of a pile of rust was a) don't use it b) have had 2 nut and bolt restorations at £££££ each+ tax+ insurance. Add that all together and that's why those cars cost that now.
I don't get the upset when someone buys a guitar for x and sells it for y.
Why do folk get so upset about it?
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Still though, I’m not guaranteed anything in this life, certainly not a particular guitar at a particular price I choose.
If it's your hobby - then it's just that. Golf, skiing, collecting antiques ... are all expensive hobbies. Collecting guitars is expensive too.
You can own just one and create music you know.
Formerly TheGuitarWeasel ... Oil City Pickups ... Oil City Blog 7 String.org profile and message
A bedroom flipper adds fuck all, just takes something off the market and increases the price the very next day. Often before they’ve even received it themselves
Formerly TheGuitarWeasel ... Oil City Pickups ... Oil City Blog 7 String.org profile and message
On the other side, if you've listed a guitar for a price and it's not sold in weeks then don't be offended when someone suggests lowering the price.
(I'm an aging bloke too ... of course).
Formerly TheGuitarWeasel ... Oil City Pickups ... Oil City Blog 7 String.org profile and message
Does anyone here not accept that general inflation and supply/demand (particularly of collectibles) means that someone could buy a guitar for £1000 5 years ago, and sell it for £2000 today? (Granted, for most of us, that equation works the other way around).
What I've seen people getting upset about is the situation where someone - typically the bedroom dealer - has tried to con a seller into accepting a lower price in order to flip it themselves for profit. And, an extension of that, where a disguised trader (those bedroom flippers again) abuses the good nature of the Classifieds here to siphon out mates-rates stuff to sell-on elsewhere.
And ERS - well, not sure anyone gets upset about him, he's just comedy gold ...
Formerly TheGuitarWeasel ... Oil City Pickups ... Oil City Blog 7 String.org profile and message
a lot appear to get really upset about "bedroom shifters/dealers" which has always amazed me. No-one is forced to buy anything from a specific source. Don't like it - dont buy it. Its only a fucking guitar not a dialysis machine
just because you do, doesn't mean you should.
Everything is being bought up by a select few, put away and then later sold at high prices. Guitars, tickets Lego, Synths. You can say 'it's the market, don't buy it if you can't afford it blah blah' but this ignores the wider issue, that normal people are being priced out of EVERYTHING because of greed and opportunist behaviour that only serves the individual. It's not an insignificant issue.
We had one guy on here that turned out to be a dealer. Whenever I sold something on ebay or here he would message me within five minutes of listing to tell me I didn't have a hope of selling it for my price and I should sell it to him for a grand less.
After telling him where to go you'd get a second message from his other accounts saying the same thing.
Obviously these muppets can be ignored - but they're now vat registered dealers.
And absolutely if I go to a shop and ask for a px I expect to be taking it firmly up the bottom.
I also think people have got miffed seeing anything decent on a private sale being accumulated by the likes of Jordan etc, then immediately being inflated by a grand plus.
So there almost becomes nothing used to buy unless you go to one of the small (now vat paying but previously not) dealers.
Gone are the days when you had hit pay day and thought, I wonder what nice things are for sale atm - now it's, I wonder what the small dealer bought off ebay last week and has inflated my thirty percent to achieve his required margin.
My only problem with pricing is I cannot understand why some wood, plastic and a few bits of cheap monkey metal can possibly be worth the new asking price of £12k and that there are people daft enough to pay it (especially if it's going to sit in its case most of its life). The custom market is another case of diminishing returns. I don't go for the super cheap but don't go for the super expensive either. Depends on your disposable income I suppose but everyone will have a limit on what they would shell out on a guitar unless they're a flipper.
Ian
Lowering my expectations has succeeded beyond my wildest dreams.
Bedroom flippers can double the price of a item in a few seconds and have removed the opportunity for anyone who actually wanted to use the item to buy at the cheaper price.
But yes it's just business