Oasis Reunion

Philly_Q

darthed1981 said:

Philly_Q said:

darthed1981 said:

swiller said:

darthed1981 said:

I don't blame Noel and Liam because in their place I'd probably do the same - and it's not their fault that Ticketmaster are godawful...

But it is their fault to allow flex pricing on tickets on their concerts and more than likely getting a heavy cut. It appears very few people got face value tickets today. If £150X75000 per gig isnt enough for em, then bollox.

Yes I get that point - it's probably deeply delegated though.

I doubt anyone said "Noel, Liam, you want to fuck your fans over with dynamic pricing...?" and they said "yes"...

No, but they must have an awareness of how things work, it's the industry they've worked in for 30+ years.  No-one expects the Gallaghers to be on the phone now to Ticketmaster saying "sort this out", but they could have said to their management, at an early stage "we want fair, transparent ticket pricing".

Surely they have that power?  Ticketmaster have power of their own, but they wouldn't want to miss out on a hugely lucrative Oasis tour.  There must be negotiation of the terms.

I honestly don't know as I've never negotiated a major stadium tour.  In fact, I wouldn't, I'd employ someone to do it for me, which is really my point.

If I were the promoters I'd be saying "lads, all you need to do is rehearse then turn up, leave the rest to us.." ... I doubt anyone involved in selling the tickets has spoken to either gallagher at any time.

Well they should have.  They're not idiots, and it's not that complicated.

ditchboy

Blame it on the promoter. Blame it on the Artist. Blame it on Ticketmaster. One thing is absolutely fucking certain though is that it should never be an option! When they announce the price, that should be the price, end of. You can get in the queue if you want and pay the money if you want. Leaving people in the queue for hours only to give them this over inflated choice just stinks but probably sums up this spiteful country quite well where the only thing people are interested in is ripping other people off. Thatcher’s Britain. 

theatreanchor

It could be said that anyone dumb enough to want to see Oasis will be stupid enough to pay daft prices. 

theatreanchor

RocknRollDave said:

I’m going to see Greg Koch in Birmingham soon. £15 + £1.50 booking fee. I’ll take that any day.

Wait until he splits up and reforms twenty years later!

Phil_C

I was a victim of this dynamic pricing yesterday morning - Managed to get through the queues only to be greeted with 'In-Demand Standing Tickets' These are general admission standing tickets for Manchester, that were meant to be £148.50 per ticket.

They were £355 EACH! Over £200 more PER TICKET. So it would have been £710 for TWO TICKETS instead of £297.

I absolutely refused to buy them. Why should I be paying over £200 more per ticket to be standing next to somebody who's paid £200 less than me? It's just a massive excuse to extort more money into the pockets of Ticketmaster. Nevermind scalpers, Ticketmaster are the legal scalpers, making money on the back of peoples desperation and it's shameful.

Cnts

Oh to make it worse, I have a friend who got through the queue immediately and bought 4 tickets. Then proceeded to throw into the WhatsApp group 'I don't even like Oasis but you know everyone wants these tickets'   

AND I know somebody who got 3 presale codes and his sole intention is to just sell them on. I mean, come on. 

ALR

I paid £32.50 to see them at Knebworth in 1996. After seven hours redialling the freephone number.

edit: sorry, £22.50

darthed1981

Phil_C said:

I was a victim of this dynamic pricing yesterday morning - Managed to get through the queues only to be greeted with 'In-Demand Standing Tickets' These are general admission standing tickets for Manchester, that were meant to be £148.50 per ticket.

They were £355 EACH! Over £200 more PER TICKET. So it would have been £710 for TWO TICKETS instead of £297.

I absolutely refused to buy them. Why should I be paying over £200 more per ticket to be standing next to somebody who's paid £200 less than me? It's just a massive excuse to extort more money into the pockets of Ticketmaster. Nevermind scalpers, Ticketmaster are the legal scalpers, making money on the back of peoples desperation and it's shameful.

Cnts

I'm wondering if this extremely high-profile case of fans getting screwed over will actually lead to some legislation or more regulation of the ticket industry. Re-reading the thread above, you can see it was steeped in a lot of nostalgia for the 90s, and a lot of positivity and hope that we would all be standing together in Wembley belting out Wonderwall this time next year.

 Now look at it, lots of justifiably angry people, including me BTW, who did our due diligence, got up to get online and when we got to the end of the queue were either kicked off by the platform, or presented with ridiculous "platinum" pricing at more than double what was quoted. Ticketmaster have outed themselves as worse than scalpers, you are quite right - and no need to self-edit mate, they are cunts.

As @ditchboy said above - whoever we blame, the money grubbing fucked over the fans.  I'm thinking rather than go see Oasis at £350 a ticket, I'll go see ten other bands instead.

I've no idea who Greg Koch is if I'm honest, but we really need more gags in the thread, so I'll just say "I love a bit of Koch".

Open_G

Ironically I’d rather that Oasis/Promoter/Venue decided to sell the tickets at 6k each being touted online. (I know that this is not feasible in reality) The economic rules of supply vs demand are actually the ones that decide prices. I’d love to see a theoretical bidding process to work out just how much these tickets are actually worth?-totally different arena I know but my mrs often trades in Emma Bridgewater pottery. If she puts something online and it sells quickly we very swiftly realise we probably charged too little. If it sells after a week to 10 days we realise that we got it about right. If it doesn’t sell its overpriced or not desirable. These tickets have a rarity, and a desirability. 

Not a comment on who music should be available to, just my musings on the actual market value of tickets. 

darthed1981

Open_G said:

Not a comment on who music should be available to, just my musings on the actual market value of tickets. 

You could, and Ticketmaster do, argue that the situation with tickets of that level of popularity (4-5 million want them, about a million available) that if they sell then they must be priced reasonably, and even if they are not priced reasonably, nobody is forcing anyone to buy them.

Certainly some people I know checked the contents of their savings accounts and called that their ticket budget - much more common amongst young-uns of course.

I said to myself £300 for two tickets is my head budget... if it had gone to £350 for two tickets, fine but any more and they can go forth and multiply.

They still sold out without my help though... so maybe in our capitalist country... TM have it right?!?!

It has been twice this year now huge tours have sold out despite complaints over pricing (this one, and TayTay) and still not a hint of anything changing.  Everyone pays VAT on those tickets so if they sell for 300 million, then that's 60-odd million of readies for the treasury...

It killed some of the vibe though, no question.

barnstorm

darthed1981 said:

Phil_C said:

I was a victim of this dynamic pricing yesterday morning - Managed to get through the queues only to be greeted with 'In-Demand Standing Tickets' These are general admission standing tickets for Manchester, that were meant to be £148.50 per ticket.

They were £355 EACH! Over £200 more PER TICKET. So it would have been £710 for TWO TICKETS instead of £297.

I absolutely refused to buy them. Why should I be paying over £200 more per ticket to be standing next to somebody who's paid £200 less than me? It's just a massive excuse to extort more money into the pockets of Ticketmaster. Nevermind scalpers, Ticketmaster are the legal scalpers, making money on the back of peoples desperation and it's shameful.

Cnts

I'm wondering if this extremely high-profile case of fans getting screwed over will actually lead to some legislation or more regulation of the ticket industry.

I won’t hold my breath 

The particularly frustrating thing is that a newly-reformed Oasis is one of very few acts with the clout to tell Ticketmaster et al to do one (edit: with no repercussions). They absolutely could have done a string of blockbuster shows independent of all the usual vultures. But I did not for one second expect them to.

stickyfiddle

barnstorm said:

darthed1981 said:

Phil_C said:

I was a victim of this dynamic pricing yesterday morning - Managed to get through the queues only to be greeted with 'In-Demand Standing Tickets' These are general admission standing tickets for Manchester, that were meant to be £148.50 per ticket.

They were £355 EACH! Over £200 more PER TICKET. So it would have been £710 for TWO TICKETS instead of £297.

I absolutely refused to buy them. Why should I be paying over £200 more per ticket to be standing next to somebody who's paid £200 less than me? It's just a massive excuse to extort more money into the pockets of Ticketmaster. Nevermind scalpers, Ticketmaster are the legal scalpers, making money on the back of peoples desperation and it's shameful.

Cnts

I'm wondering if this extremely high-profile case of fans getting screwed over will actually lead to some legislation or more regulation of the ticket industry.

I won’t hold my breath 

The particularly frustrating thing is that a newly-reformed Oasis is one of very few acts with the clout to tell Ticketmaster et al to do one (edit: with no repercussions). They absolutely could have done a string of blockbuster shows independent of all the usual vultures. But I did not for one second expect them to.

It's very likely that Livenation (the owner of Ticketmaster) has exclusivity deals with all the venues, because that's their whole business model. They own a big proportion of the big venues across the entire western world (all the O2 venues for sure, plus promotor deals for a lot of big festivals (Reading Leeds, Download, Creamfields, Wireless, Latitude...) 

If you want to play those venues you have no choice. It's just about the definition of monopoly

darthed1981

...as I've just said over in the other thread, there are a million happy people with tickets who paid an amount they were willing to pay who are going to see Oasis next year.

Us grumpy middle-aged men in here, maybe we are wrong and the people with tickets are right?  I bet there are some broad smiles (and some proper social media bragging) going on this morning...

RocknRollDave

It will only change if people stop paying these ridiculous prices. If nobody was willing to pay £400 for a ticket, overnight this nonsense would go away.

Octavio

Once customers get that dopamine hit when they reach the buy option after 3 hours queuing, means £98 vs £430 becomes an impulse purchase. That 'Fck it' mentality, BUY! It's a similar strategy to what online casinos use.

It's a disgrace and of course genuine fans get screwed. I wouldn't be surprised if Ticketmaster's staff doesn't consist of people previously from the gambling industry.

darthed1981

RocknRollDave said:

It will only change if people stop paying these ridiculous prices. If nobody was willing to pay £400 for a ticket, overnight this nonsense would go away.

Yeah but they are willing to ... I guess the industry's attitude would be "why give back my extra £250 per ticket?".

barnstorm

stickyfiddle said:

barnstorm said:

darthed1981 said:

Phil_C said:

I was a victim of this dynamic pricing yesterday morning - Managed to get through the queues only to be greeted with 'In-Demand Standing Tickets' These are general admission standing tickets for Manchester, that were meant to be £148.50 per ticket.

They were £355 EACH! Over £200 more PER TICKET. So it would have been £710 for TWO TICKETS instead of £297.

I absolutely refused to buy them. Why should I be paying over £200 more per ticket to be standing next to somebody who's paid £200 less than me? It's just a massive excuse to extort more money into the pockets of Ticketmaster. Nevermind scalpers, Ticketmaster are the legal scalpers, making money on the back of peoples desperation and it's shameful.

Cnts

I'm wondering if this extremely high-profile case of fans getting screwed over will actually lead to some legislation or more regulation of the ticket industry.

I won’t hold my breath 

The particularly frustrating thing is that a newly-reformed Oasis is one of very few acts with the clout to tell Ticketmaster et al to do one (edit: with no repercussions). They absolutely could have done a string of blockbuster shows independent of all the usual vultures. But I did not for one second expect them to.

It's very likely that Livenation (the owner of Ticketmaster) has exclusivity deals with all the venues, because that's their whole business model. They own a big proportion of the big venues across the entire western world (all the O2 venues for sure, plus promotor deals for a lot of big festivals (Reading Leeds, Download, Creamfields, Wireless, Latitude...) 

If you want to play those venues you have no choice. It's just about the definition of monopoly

I know - Oasis could do without all those venues if they wanted to make a point, at least for an initial run of comeback gigs, but they’re not fussed about the wider state of the industry.

Personally I think the positive PR would have been worth the effort it would have required, but they’re also not much fussed about what people think.

guyinlyon

One of the many things wrong with the Ticketmaster system is the necessity to choose ONE of the five Wembley gigs to queue for. I couldn't give a rat's-ass™ what gig I would go to. I wanted to ge to ANY of the London concerts.

guyinlyon

JerkMoans said:

Fuck it. Let’s have a Fretboard Oasis covers night, evening of the first gig  

I'd consider coming over from France for something like that.

Open_G

Octavio said:

I wouldn't be surprised if Ticketmaster's staff doesn't consist of people previously from the gambling industry.

An industry somehow never marketed as “for every pound you spend we’ll chuck you back 90p and let you watch some flashing lights.”

guyinlyon

JerkMoans said:

Fuck it. Let’s have a Fretboard Oasis covers night, evening of the first gig  

Why just one? How about Fretboard Oasis covers nights all over the country?