Oasis Reunion

andysc

randella said:

andysc said:

randella said:

Jetsam1 said:

The Guardian view:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/aug/28/stop-the-celebrations-oasis-are-the-most-damaging-pop-cultural-force-in-recent-british-history

Comments are true holier than thou. You would think Noel and Liam had been boiling babies.

I'm coming round to the idea that the Guardian comments section is written by a north London-based AI that doesn't own a television, has never eaten at McDonald's, and either hates anything popular or otherwise has mysteriously not heard of it.

It also likes coffee, but not the povvo stuff that *you* drink.

I haven't read the comments below the article, but did read the article itself.

I do own a television, I have eaten at McDonalds, and I don't hate everything popular. I grew up on a council estate, and used to like Oasis when I was a child.  However, I do agree with most of the article though. I do find tastes change, sometimes quite drasticly, and afterwards I don't enjoy the things I used to enjoy. I assumed most people were the same, so this week has been an eye-opener for me. So many of my friends who I assumed had moved on, apparently haven't. That's cool for them, but I don't need the nostalgia hit and haven't listened to them out of choice for a very long time. 

Do I have to hand in my Genuine Working Class card and admit to being an AI generated North London bot now?

I think you're reading quite a lot into what I said there which, boiled down, was a dig at the sheer snobbery on display in the comments section.

Ah, fair enough. I do find that it has become seen as almost a fact in the last week that if you don't like Oasis, or don't find the lad culture of the 90s amusing you somehow can't understand the real working class, you have to be some posh snob. I find it sad that working class culture is limited or stifled by things you are supposed to like, to be like the majority.

To those that like Oasis, crack on, have a great night and I hope they are great. And threads on here talking about how much you are looking forward to it is great - joy and excitement, shared with likeminded people.

I will get fed up with the wall to wall coverage in other places, but this is a forum where I can choose not to interact, so it's all good and I probably vented in the wrong place :-)

Aornic

Nostalgia has been a commodity heavily sold for about 15 years now, if we're talking about the forefont of pop culture. It made the Smashing Pumpkins reform (besides Darcy, who was too unpredictable for Billy Corgan to attach to it) and tour and now it's made Oasis do the same when there's clearly a hefty monetary incentive involved.

I've been listening to the 90s Oasis stuff today and looking at old gigs on YouTube, so I'm not at all saying I'm above such, but while I do appreciate them coming back and possibly making more music together - I'll hold off on actually seeing them live for now. The reason has to do with the fanbase, for if what I'm told is true for even 10 percent of them then that's a lot of people to be surrounded by at Wembley. I don't really want that, especially given recent events. I don't like stadiums in general so that factors in too.

I don't blame Noel and Liam entirely for those fans, they're a band with wide appeal and that will bring in all sorts - but their behaviour over time (although I've found a lot of it funny and them leaning into a sort of kayfabe of being outspoken assholes) has attracted a certain sort. I DO think Liam's behaviour on Twitter some years ago was weird and a sign of a deeply unhappy guy at that moment in time, slagging off everyone for no reason and even calling his brother gay. I also think Noel's comments during the COVID years were kind of offputting.

Ultimately, I like the music and respect the origin story (as I wrote above) but not their opinions and personal views, so I'll admire and observe what happens from a distance. If the hype dies down and they continue on after this tour, and things become more like a regular band, then I'll go see them.

Attaching them to issues with society and culture isn't right though, in my opinion. As said above, their music never had hints of bigotry or hate. It was the opposite, it was encouraging and uplifting. Noel said he heard "I Hate Myself and I Want to Die" by Nirvana (a band he loved) and wrote Live Forever in response. 

randella

andysc said:

Ah, fair enough. I do find that it has become seen as almost a fact in the last week that if you don't like Oasis, or don't find the lad culture of the 90s amusing you somehow can't understand the real working class, you have to be some posh snob. I find it sad that working class culture is limited or stifled by things you are supposed to like, to be like the majority.

To those that like Oasis, crack on, have a great night and I hope they are great. And threads on here talking about how much you are looking forward to it is great - joy and excitement, shared with likeminded people.

I will get fed up with the wall to wall coverage in other places, but this is a forum where I can choose not to interact, so it's all good and I probably vented in the wrong place :-)

No dramas at all, it'll have been me trying to make my point in a smartarse way that didn't help. I find the comments in the Guardian can be bloody awful, but I could have made the argument better. All good anyway! 

Bottom line, the brothers can be a pair of rentagobs. Always have been. In fairness they didn't have the nicest time as kids by all accounts. They did turn that angry swagger into music I love though - tunes like Cigarettes and Alcohol just a mint wall of noise (even if it is a T-Rex riff with a JMP-1 preamp ).

RocknRollDave

Aornic said:

Attaching them to issues with society and culture isn't right though, in my opinion. As said above, their music never had hints of bigotry or hate. It was the opposite, it was encouraging and uplifting. Noel said he heard "I Hate Myself and I Want to Die" by Nirvana (a band he loved) and wrote Live Forever in response. 

I absolutely love Live Forever, for this very reason. It might be simple, Bloke Rock to some, but it’s such a great, life-affirming statement.

Ironically,
Definitely Maybe was released the same day as another HUGE album for me: Manic Street Preachers - The Holy Bible, from which my favourite track is Die In The Summertime (“I wanna die…die in the Summertime. I wanna die.”)

darthed1981

RocknRollDave said:

Aornic said:

Attaching them to issues with society and culture isn't right though, in my opinion. As said above, their music never had hints of bigotry or hate. It was the opposite, it was encouraging and uplifting. Noel said he heard "I Hate Myself and I Want to Die" by Nirvana (a band he loved) and wrote Live Forever in response. 

I absolutely love Live Forever, for this very reason. It might be simple, Bloke Rock to some, but it’s such a great, life-affirming statement.

Ironically,
Definitely Maybe was released the same day as another HUGE album for me: Manic Street Preachers - The Holy Bible, from which my favourite track is Die In The Summertime (“I wanna die…die in the Summertime. I wanna die.”)

I'm the same  - the Manics are probably one of a handful of "absolute favourites" for me - and while my favourite track on THB is probably This is Yesterday  - I think that's a brilliant example.

I don't go to all music for the same reason - if the music we love touches our very souls - then what we need to hear is going to vary depending on where we are at.

Ironically, what convinced the Manics to keep going after losing Richey was their very own optimistic mission statement - A Design for Life - and they are about to drop a new single almost thirty years later!

MaxA867

Jetsam1 said:

The Guardian view:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/aug/28/stop-the-celebrations-oasis-are-the-most-damaging-pop-cultural-force-in-recent-british-history

Comments are true holier than thou. You would think Noel and Liam had been boiling babies.

Rule 34 of the internet - If it exists, someone, somewhere has made porn out of it.

Rule 35 of the internet - If it exists, Somewhere a Guardian columnist is on their high horse about the fact that it exists. 

C’est la vie! 

Soulslinger

Oasis got me into rock music (Lloyd Grossman got me into guitar). The Manics became more important to me than Oasis because I was a proper misfit depressed teen and liked their politics and intellectualism, even if I did find name dropping obscure French painters and stuff in songs a bit pretentious at times. Whatever their flaws, they were an absolute middle finger of a band, more so than Oasis for all the Mancunians’ hard men act. 

I am disappointed by some of the comments reported in the article from the brothers. 

The Union Jack criticisms are extremely tenuous. To me it was the Cool Britannia thing and celebrating British rock music being resurgent, nothing more. It wasn’t about Brexit then and it wasn’t about Brexit when The Who did it. I’ve often been ashamed of our country’s actions over the years but I think being proud of artistic output from your own door step is nothing to do with jingoism, so I can’t agree with Simon Price there.

Anyway, enough with the politics there. If anybody is interested, Simon Price did write a phenomal biog of the Manics entitled ‘Everything’. It’s a few years since I read it and it seemed more earth shattering when I was a kid than my second read as a grown up, but it was still good enough to keep and I do recommend it.

Lebarque

randella said:

andysc said:

Ah, fair enough. I do find that it has become seen as almost a fact in the last week that if you don't like Oasis, or don't find the lad culture of the 90s amusing you somehow can't understand the real working class, you have to be some posh snob. I find it sad that working class culture is limited or stifled by things you are supposed to like, to be like the majority.

To those that like Oasis, crack on, have a great night and I hope they are great. And threads on here talking about how much you are looking forward to it is great - joy and excitement, shared with likeminded people.

I will get fed up with the wall to wall coverage in other places, but this is a forum where I can choose not to interact, so it's all good and I probably vented in the wrong place :-)

No dramas at all, it'll have been me trying to make my point in a smartarse way that didn't help. I find the comments in the Guardian can be bloody awful, but I could have made the argument better. All good anyway! 

Bottom line, the brothers can be a pair of rentagobs. Always have been. In fairness they didn't have the nicest time as kids by all accounts. They did turn that angry swagger into music I love though - tunes like Cigarettes and Alcohol just a mint wall of noise (even if it is a T-Rex riff with a JMP-1 preamp ).

A T-Rex riff with a Valvestate 8080 no?

chris78

Jetsam1 said:

The Guardian view:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/aug/28/stop-the-celebrations-oasis-are-the-most-damaging-pop-cultural-force-in-recent-british-history

Comments are true holier than thou. You would think Noel and Liam had been boiling babies.

Pearl clutching bullshit from a knob who’d rather cancel everything. 

ALR

The Guardian article is hilarious thanks for linking. Writer seems like self loathing working class to me. He offers the Manics up as the band everyone SHOULD have liked in the 90s (hang on, they were quite popular) and he’s right of course. Why sing “You and I are gonna live forever” when you could be singing the chorus to Archives of Pain instead.

victorludorum

Philly_Q said:

darthed1981 said:

andysc said:
 I do find tastes change, sometimes quite drasticly, and afterwards I don't enjoy the things I used to enjoy. I assumed most people were the same...

I don't like Milupa as much as I used to, or Button Moon.

Still love Oasis though.

Actually fuck it, Button Moon still rocks.

Classic theme tune.

Is it on Be Here Now?

KevS

I would rather watch Giles Brandreth straining on the Toilet..

breakstuff

Absolutely loved them back in the day. I remember when I first saw them on The Chart Show on a Saturday morning with them declaring them the next big thing. Well they definitely got that right. I sort of lost track after Be Here Now. I saw them as that album was released at Sheffield Arena and was bored to tears. To be fair, it's the only concert I've ever been seated so it was probably more to do with that than the band themselves. I've periodically dipped in and out in the intervening years and the first two albums are still two of my favourite ever albums.

Anyway, thought I'd give Definitely Maybe a spin in the car on the journey to work this morning for nostalgias sake. Nice sing along to Rock n Roll Star and skipped the next cos I wanted to listen to Live Forever. First verse starts and I actually had a bit of a moment. Genuinely filled up and got quite emotional. Totally unexpected and came from nowhere and had to pull over to compose myself.

I still maintain to this day, that five years or so from the mid to late nineties to the early noughties was the best years of my life. Bought my first house, got married, and had our first child, all to the backdrop of some wonderful music. It's as if, in that moment, it all came flooding back and overwhelmed me. The power of music eh?

Gandalph

KevS said:

I would rather watch Giles Brandreth straining on the Toilet..

Oooh, how much are tickets going for? 

RocknRollDave

ALR said:

The Guardian article is hilarious thanks for linking. Writer seems like self loathing working class to me. He offers the Manics up as the band everyone SHOULD have liked in the 90s (hang on, they were quite popular) and he’s right of course. Why sing “You and I are gonna live forever” when you could be singing the chorus to Archives of Pain instead.

Quite.

I loved both the Manics AND Oasis in ‘94. Wish someone had bothered to tell me at the time I was only allowed one or the other.

Danny1969

I still love the Manics, Send away the tigers is prob my fave album but there was a special moment in Portsmouth at Victorious festival when the Manics played the whole of Everything must go ... and that's one of the best gigs I've seen. Really special gig. 

@breakstuff ;
Indeed, and Noel has touched on this a few times in interviews. For whatever reason the people took Oasis and made them the soundtrack for their life's. The songs became something much more powerful after they were written.

The sad thing is that kinda shared experience is unlikely to be repeated unless a very special band comes around again. There's so many ways to listen to music now that the joy of finally getting something great in the mainstream wouldn't really occur now. It's too fragmented. 
As humans we like to see our choices verified and repeated by others. So the experience of thousands of people enjoying your favorite artist is so much more powerful than listening to the same song on your own.  

mrkb

I’m waiting for the Manics to reform with Richie in and get back to rocking. The current Manics tribute band doesn’t do it for me

lustycourtier

mo6020 said:

It’s no coincidence that Oasis are the band of choice for flag-shaggers and Reform voters – it’s remarkable how often their fans have the butcher’s apron on their Twitter bios, just as Noel had it painted on his guitar.

Insane that somehow this guy (who I know) sells £500 sheartons painted for £2500 and they do sell as well.  

Open_G

Danny1969 said:

For whatever reason the people took Oasis and made them the soundtrack for their life's. The songs became something much more powerful after they were written.

Great example of this is the British and Irish Lions bellowing out wonderwall together on tour in South Africa. Team moment that cannot be bought. 

Creed_Clicks

I tried to get through Be Here Now yesterday, but can only manage around 4 or 5 songs in, and then have to hit the off button. Noel going mad with the pickup selector switch and feedback on the guitar, and the same guitar solo on every song.

Hope of The States are back together and TV On The Radio are regrouping too. That's good news for me!